Whats the truth about 1914?

by Leander 31 Replies latest jw friends

  • apostate man
    apostate man

    OMG, I can't believe some of the DU(m)BS beliefs. CRAZY shit.

    the JWs think that jesus christ came into kindgom power in 1914 and that he cast the devil and his dark angles out of heaven and they are now restricted to the vicinity of the earth.
    I knew the belief of Jesus returning invisibly in 1914 but Satan being cast out of Heaven the same time? Did they take the same taxi to Earth?

    The chronology is wrong as we all know. But they stick to their 1914 thang. If all of their other dates were wrong, then why wouldn't these dates be wrong? And show me some scripture that says anything remotely like "Jesus and Satan going to Earth in the same year".

    All of these original dates came from rooms and passages in the pyramids, as taught by Russell. None of these things actually happened. Russell passes away and the WT can now do what it wants. How convenient that Jesus took a few years to decide what org suits his needs.

    Imagine living and being a Dub in 1914. WW1 breaks out and scares the crap out of everyone. YOU beleive it is the end as predicted. BUT then, a strange thing happens, the war is over, things are back to normal. What? All non dubs should be dead? This should be paradise now. WT scrambles around. Decides that Jesus was interviewing the last few years. But to save face, insist that he did return, WITH SATAN. The same Satan that tempted Adam and Eve, thousands of years before. So Satan must of had the "Left" hand of God, right or wrong? Satan, I beleive, was cast out waaaaaaaayyy before man even set foot on the earth. I believe the story was like this. Satans name, when an Angel of God, was Lucifer, an equal of Michael the archangel. He wasn't "Satan" until he was cast out of heaven, which was before Adam and Eve, not 1914.

    So anyway, ignore my beleifs and concider this. God allowed Satan to dwell in heaven from Adam and Eve until 1914, Satan and God were on the same "team" until then? Wouldn't that mean that Satan and Jesus were equals until then? And not now? UUUGGGHHH. The JW's beliefs are SO WACKED. I could go on and on.

    Break the chains that bind you,
    unless, of course, your into that sort of thing.
  • gumby
    gumby

    Shelby..........I posted to your thread on the matter, thanks

    OK FOLKS!!!!!!!BACK TO THE TOPIC.........WHATS THE TRUTH ABOUT 1914?

  • ISP
    ISP

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  • neyank
    neyank

    OK. The REAL truth about 1914 is this.

    It falls between 1913 and 1915.

    There. Now you know.

    I hope it wasn't too complicated.

    neyank

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    "You Know " is correct to say in essence that our faith in Christ and Bible Prophecy does not depend on the calculations of other men.

    But we have a question here of [b]confidence in the WTBTS.[\b] That org has "nailed its colours to the mast" with the teaching of the date 1914. Now that it can be successfully challenged, we have to ask "Where was the Spirit Direction in that teaching?"

    If not right on that, then what are they right about??

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire
    In some sense that describes faith, in that it is at times necessary to simultaneously hold two conflicting thoughts or unanswerable issues. Abraham was confronted with just such a paradox when Jehovah commanded him to sacrifice Isaac after God had promised him that Isaac would be his heir. How could Isaac become his heir if he killed him? The apostles were also confronted with a similar test of faith. How, for example could Christ inherit the throne of David if he was executed? Jehovah’s modern witnesses apparently are destined to be confronted with similar faith testing issues. How can Jehovah’s Witnesses be the true faith if they are wrong on this or that? That is a challenge that eventually every Witness will have to face.

    The best line of arguement,pro WT,Ive ever read on that subject.

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Want to know the "truth about 1914", do you?
    Here's the truth about 1914. http://4heavens.homestead.com/9.html
    Look primarily at the purple document at the bottom.
    I'm the author.

    Yadirf

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • bjc2012
    bjc2012

    Hi Leander,

    If its true that the WTS has manipulated historical dates and bible scriptures to support this date of 1914 then that would mean everything else crumbles.
    And with the crumbling of the doctrine, so goes the religion too. It "crumbles" with it. And the WTS is very much aware of this.

    However, some JW apologists on this board do not realize the signicance of such a "failure" before God. They do not realize, the failure of the teaching unequivocally makes JWs bonifide "liars" of the worse kind before the world. (Rev. 2:2)

    For instance, you've noticed a few comments about 1914 made on this thread so far, like what You Know said below,

    ...Nonetheless, while it is obvious to me that THE KINGDOM OF THE WORLD WAS NOT GIVEN TO CHRIST IN 1914
    , or any time since then, I am not willing to discard what appears to me to be a mountain of evidence that Christ’s parousia has been ongoing since that time. What such contradictions and uncertainty has brought home to me is the truthfulness of the Bible’s somewhat disturbing axiom: “Let God be found true though every man be found a liar.” / You KnowAnd Yadirf also added doubt to the accuracy of the date, suggesting the JW Organization had been "tricked by Satan" into mistakenly claiming the date. (Please compare his comments below.)

    Here's the truth about 1914. http://4heavens.homestead.com/9.html
    Look primarily at the purple document at the bottom.
    I'm the author. Yadirf
    The above shows they both doubt the accuracy and correctness of the doctrine of 1914 as currently understood and taught by the nation of Jehovah's Witnesses today. And in so doing, they "downplay" the importance of proper doctrine for the JW Organization, and their "christian" standing before Christ,

    "...as one who has nothing to be ashamed of, RIGHTLY EXPLAINING the Word of Truth". (2 Timothy 2:15 NRSV)

    They show above, the JW Organization has not done this. A "christian" responsibility that they should have discharged faithfully as a "christian" organization, in view of the time involved. As we remember, 1914 is a date the WTS/JW Organization has claimed for 125 years (1877-2002).

    Now, they admit the teaching is not correctly taught.

    Most who are familiar with JWs, know of the WTS' incessant emphasis and importance attached to the 1914 teaching in their publications. The "preaching" of this message, under Divine angelic guidance, and its powerful impact upon all earth's inhabitants, was said to accomplish much before God and man.

    For example, take this quote:

    "Let the honest-hearted person compare the kind of preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom done by the religious systems of Christendom during all the centuries with that done by Jehovah's Witnesses since the end of World War I in 1918. The are not one and the same kind. That of Jehovah's Witnesses is really "gospel," or "good news," as of GOD'S HEAVENLY KINGDOM THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE ENTHRONEMENT OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AT THE END OF THE GENTILE TIMES IN 1914. (Luke 21:24) The worldwide witness given to this effect under the barrage of international persecution and oppostition could have been given only by means of God's all-conquering spirit. It was accomplished neither by the spirit of man nor by that of Satan the Devil. It was done with the help of God's holy angels, as is indicated in Revelation 14:6,7." (May 1, 1981 Watchtower pages 17, 18 par. 3, taken from the study article: "If God Has An Organization, What Is It?")

    Questions for paragraphs 3,4:

    (a) How does the message as proclaimed by Christendom during the past centuries compare with the "gospel" proclaimed by Jehovah's Witnesses since 1914?

    (b) How only could this have been accomplished under persecution and opposition, and what does Revelation 14:6, 7 indicate?

    Now, I'd say, thats the real truth about 1914. It is a fundamental foundation teaching of the JW Organization. It is the teaching that sets JWs apart from all other religions and "put them on the map" as a "prophet" organization before the world. The teaching where Charles Taze Russell supposedly, was able to predict a key and significant "date" in Bible prophecy. Something the churches of christendom or religions of "babylon the great" have not done. It is their "claim-to-fame" doctrine.

    Therefore, it would be very, very difficult for the WTS or JWs in general to admit the above as You Know and Yadirf have done. Though, I don't disagree with their "findings" about the date. But, the WTS (nor JWs) couldn't admit it, because they know if the teaching of the date of Christ's Heavenly Enthronement of 1914 comes up false in any way, then the following Bible principles automatically come into play:

    "No, it was not by following artfully contrived false stories that we acquainted you with the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ.." (2 Peter 1:16)

    "This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men [1914] as doctrines." (Matthew 15:8, 9)

    "But turn down false stories which violate what is holy..." (1 Tim. 4:7)

    If the WTS and JWs were to admit to the world the date of 1914 was NOT the date of Jesus' heavenly enthronement, then, they would be open to valid criticism and charges of teaching a false doctrine "in God's Name", and facing certain "extermination" for being found in the end, "false witnesses against God". (Zech. 5:4; 1 Corinthians 15:15)

    Thats the truth about 1914.

    bjc

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24906&site=3&page=1

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • jerome
    jerome

    This question comes down to this.

    Are there any credible historians that believe that the destruction of jeruslem occured in 607?

    if not why?

    p.s. I personally donot believe that everything is a consprisicy.

    jerome

    The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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