If there is a God . . .

by zed is dead 74 Replies latest jw friends

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  Dismissing servant

  "To counter that God is pure evil, one need only show one single act of love on his behalf. "

  No, TEC, this is a logical error. We colud make the same about Satan..one good act proves that he is not pure evil. Remember there is a saying in the new testament stating that "Satan is making himself appear as an angel of light" (this is a free translation from my language, english bibley may not have this wording).

  Besides, we cannot judge wether an action of God/ Satan is made of love or not, we can only observe if the consequenses of that act are good or bad.

  Then we have drastic examples, I don't now if you are a literalist, but literalist states that is was a good act making children drown in Noahs flood. Likewise that state that is was good coomanding the Israelitet to kill a lot of people that lived in the "promised land"!
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  villagegirl

  Tater - You are assuming all and everything is evil? - what about the ocean ? The mountains ? The flowers ? Animals ? Birds ? Food ? Wine ? Beer ? Sunlight on the grass ? God is not ALONE there are all kinds of other creatures, visible and invisible, higher intelligence ,other dimensions, some good some evil, what about Love ? What about your wife and children and your favorite things ? Happiness itself ? Laughter. Music ? Usually there is more good than evil in out lives.
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  tec

  No, TEC, this is a logical error. We colud make the same about Satan..one good act proves that he is not pure evil.

  Yes, and...?

  Remember there is a saying in the new testament stating that "Satan is making himself appear as an angel of light"

  That means deceiving people, to draw them away from the TRUE light: Christ.

  That is not a good act.

  Besides, we cannot judge wether an action of God/ Satan is made of love or not, we can only observe if the consequenses of that act are good or bad.

  We cannot always SEE the consequences, because we are limited in what we know and see... as well as how far we see.

  Then we have drastic examples, I don't now if you are a literalist, but literalist states that is was a good act making children drown in Noahs flood. Likewise that state that is was good coomanding the Israelitet to kill a lot of people that lived in the "promised land"!

  I don't think even the literalist says this (about the flood at least)... and people make choices that harm their children all the time. The flood (whatever exactly happened) would at most be an example of that.

  But these things are just some things that have been written, and could be in error, or at the least attributed to God in error (scribal error or people actually attributing something wrong to God). Because I can use things that are written too. But I tried to stick with something that would be evident to all.

  Peace to you DS,

  tammy
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  Dismissing servant

  If we cannot judge, the opposite could be true. If God was evil, it would be a good act draw away people from God. You made the assumption that Christ is the true light, but that is yet to be proven.

  I think it would be good for you to read what fundamentalist apologist say about the flood and the genocides in the old testament! I think you might get really surprized.

  anyway..I am happy to hear that you are not a litteralist/fundamentalist!
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  Dismissing servant

  Well well, thing can be a bit different . They did't kill all Midjanites. Look at this:

  Numbers 31:

  31So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.

  32The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep,3372,000 cattle, 3461,000 donkeys 35and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.

  Maybe Moses and his buddies thought it was a really got act giving them 32000 virgins! They didn't seem to complain!
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  Phizzy

  Tammy said that "The Gospel writers knew jesus or heard about him from those that knew him".

  I don't think you will find a decent sized group of independent, impartial N.T scholars who agree with that statement.

  Tammy missed the point of the lifeguard example, the Lifeguard is appointed to save lives on the beach, so has the power, no one is stopping him, he chooses to let some drown.

  God is that lifeguard, he has the power, but chooses to let drowning/ murder etc happen, are you really going to use the "freewill " argument Tammy?

  That would mean god can never intervene, it would also mean that he is not Almighty (All powerful) as he is restricted by our free will.

  So, you have a god who cannot act when he should, and when his love should move him to, so his quality of love is very weak, why should anyone respect him ?

  Any normal human parent does more for their children than god does for his. Human society restricts the free will of murderers , god cannot.

  He is beginning to look very ineffectual and silly, your god.
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  Heartofaboy

  BTTT
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  LouBelle

  if there is a god......he has forsaken me / we are an experiment (like a little boy with a magnifying glass and we are the ants). I have been on hands and knees just about my whole life imploring him to show me the way, to care for me, to love me. What I got was 29 years in a cult, irreversably hurt over the years, shunned, violated, robbed, stolen from, disappointed on so many levels....he never belived in me, why should I believe in him.

  There is no loving god in the heavens that holds your life / your dreams / your best / in his hands. The bible is mans' word passed down as sacred. Sure there are life lessons in it, I can get the same life lessons from reading Lord of the Rings.
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  donny

  If there was an all knowing God, it would know that there are more efficient ways to communicate its will than via old texts and personal anecdotal revelations. I have yet to come across anything that proves to me that the God(s) in the Bible has any more credibility than the thousands of other gods created by man.
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  zed is dead

  LouBelle,

  Finally someone gets the nature of my post! I have seen no evidence of a loving god in my life.

  The good things in my life are of random chance. So are the bad. If there was any karma I had built up from good deeds in the past, I see no evidence. The only benefits were to build up a base of human friends, not celestial gods that give not one shit about me.

  If there is a god and he wants wants to give me a break, I would take it. I am not holding my breath. Until then, he can just smeg off.

  zed