Death

by punkofnice 45 Replies latest jw friends

  • Nika Bee
    Nika Bee

    A teacher of mine in secondary school said once, that the fact, that humans have only such a short time and are aware of it, builds a creative dynamic. It fosters creative and innovative ideas and brings humanity forward. At that time I didn't understnad, what he meant of course, but I certainly never forgot his words and pondered them often.

    Of course, this doesn't help a single individual, but humanity as a whole.

    But it helped me, to understnad, that things come and go, develope, take shapes rise and go down. Panta rei. It's like this in the universe, in some sense probably even outside of it (time and spacewise), in the nature, in science. I am just a little piece of it. Just as everything else, the thing that I call me, is just passing. It's just part of a big picture, of the whole flow. Was it already there in a different form, or will it be there? Noone knows, but who cares? I am not important enough to worry about this. Maybe I bring science a little further, maybe I find a new math formula. But if not someone else will find it. Panta rei.

    In the meanwhile, I enjoy that I am here, that "me" exists. And that everything goes on.

  • prologos
    prologos

    ep: I hope you did not mean to be disrespectful when you you said:" -- a LOT of fuctional science we rely on." rule 3.

    Can you distinguish between the 3space dimensions and their Content and Movement along them?

    Can one distinguish between Time and MOVEMENT through it?

    At c movement through time reaches zero. (as you indicated). so

    there can be zero movement through time or stationary time.

    was time always stationary before space and its content (something) joined it at the beginning? the beginning of Movement?

    Is not DEATH (to remain on topic) the end of movement through time?

    This discussion, as Life and DEATH is not frivolous.

    thank you for not being dismissive.

  • Nika Bee
    Nika Bee

    Off topic:

    In the current model that we have of the universe, there cannot be zero movement through time. It can converge to zero though. It depends on the curvature. What we like to think of as the "beginning" of our universe, is in reality (or rather in this model of the universe) a singularity, infinite dense.

    It doesn't make sense to say "time before space".

    But again, this is just a model. It is the best available model at the moment, and replaced many models before it, like the Newton model. But who knows, what we will come up next with.

    I can't agree, that death is the end of movement through time. The particles, that form my body are still there. If you mean the "spirit", there is no concept to incorporate it into a physical theory (yet?). If one really wants to go the metaphysical way, one could attempt it to describe it as "energy". But then it still remains inside the universe. But in the universe energy doesn't simply disappear unless it falls into a singularity (for example a black whole). It can transform into matter or the other way round.

    But this so far is just pseudo science.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Didn't you conclude13.8 billions years based on that Math?

    No. You are muddling the age of the universe with precession of the universe.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    I hope you did not mean to be disrespectful when you you said

    Hope is free, take all you like.

    At c movement through time reaches zero. (as you indicated).

    I never said that.

    so there can be zero movement through time or stationary time.

    Spacetime is expanding, there is no such thing as "stationary"

    was time always stationary before space and its content (something) joined it at the beginning? the beginning of Movement?

    No present way of knowing what preceded our current spacetime.

    Is not DEATH (to remain on topic) the end of movement through time?

    No. The particles, matter and energy that made up your body and consciousness continue to move through spacetime as before.

  • unstopableravens
    unstopableravens

    punk: what do you think about the fact that you dont want to die? and if you and the wt are correct that you die and thats it, than that would really be sad. i like how the bible says god put eternity in our hearts!

  • prologos
    prologos

    off course, at DEATH, the matter&energy that made up the brain/mind continues to exist in spacetime. but

    at DEATH, the particular arrangement, interaction, energy flow (that makes up the person) stops moving through time, it becomes

    part of the unmoving, fixed past time.

    We live in the ever moving, zero length NOW and at DEATH we leave it.

    ep: I mis - spoke: I am certain (not hopeful) you did not intentionally use a novel form of the F-- word in describing our SURE HOPE: science.

    yes, it is great to be here. until DEATH does us part.

  • Theocratic Sedition
    Theocratic Sedition
    For 13.8 billions years your consciousness didn't exist and it didn't bother you a bit.

    I don't know about the time frame, and really it doesn't matter, but the bolded part is too truthful.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    I don't think it was ever death I feared. It was injustice.

    I feared that my worldly father who was good to me would die in Armageddon, while my shithead JW mother would be rewarded for her abuse with everlasting life.

    Now that I know my father will die of old age, it's a sad thought, but not scary.

    My fear really wasn't about his death, but about what a terrible injustice could have possibly played out at the hands of my "loving" JW god.

    My own mortality really never bothered me. There are even times I think I could use the rest!

  • perfect1
    perfect1

    Punky,

    what do you mean by, IM BONED!

    Means something different in north American latitudes.

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