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oh ok, I get ya, sorry.
But I still don't get the need to have a pop at AAWA like this. Its damaging and negative. The problem with FB has been explained and anyone can choose to join the genuine page if they are able.
If you're not able for security reasons, then don't. I cant see what the opening poster is sulking about. If the OP has questions, then he can use the other contact methods available to him.
As for the bogus FB page, let me say it again, AAWA WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT!!!
And by all means condemn the numpty who made a bogus FB page in AAWA's name and compromised security.
AAWA wasnt to blame for the crass stupidity of others who used their name to do harm.
Nope, that's been thoroughly debunked by even AAWA's admission. Please stop perpetuating that falsehood. You can catch up by reading this thread: http://jehovahs-witness.net/members/adult/250276/19/Problems-with-the-Bogus-AWAA-Fan-Page
none of the members or directors of AAWA are professionals
Oh, I very much agree with you on this point. Of course, now that they're incorporated, professionals is exactly what they're holding themselves out as.
But I still don't get the need to have a pop at AAWA like this. Its damaging and negative.
No, what AAWA did is damaging and negative, and continues to be so. The people pointing it out are giving them an opportunity to make the situation right and undo/limit the damage they have done. AAWA is just constructing this false "if you're not with us, you're against us" narrative to distract from exactly what is at issue here.
The issue is that they haven't YET fixed the problem. They are holding themselves to a different standard than they expect their volunteers get. They sulked, got mad, left and STILL haven't FIXED THE DAMN PROBLEM. No one is having a pop at them just to be a douche. They came here, promoted themselves, recruited from here, publicized themselves here and then proceeded directly to put people from here in harm's way. Even after admitting they didn't know what they were doing, they simply decided that not screwing up again was enough. They did the equivalent of acidentally slicing someone open from balls to brains and, rather than get a doctor, realized they weren't a ninja and said not doing that again "fixed" the problem. Then, when told, no, that wasn't cool, they got huffy and took off.
Entirelypossible
The matter has been corrected now and due apologies have been made. Therefore how about cutting them some slack? You never made a mistake that harmed others, apologised and corrected the mistake? Did you hope to be forgiven? I'm sure you have. I know I have.
Hell? Slight exaggeration don't you think? So lets ease up on the emotive one-liners and keep it real.
Going forward AAWA can do a great deal of long term good to those exiting the WT and to those contemplating joining. I suggest we focus on that rather than the errors made on the learning curve right at the beginning of their work.
The matter has been corrected now and due apologies have been made. Therefore how about cutting them some slack? You never made a mistake that harmed others, apologised and corrected the mistake? Did you hope to be forgiven? I'm sure you have. I know I have.
Apologies mean nothing until they correct the mistake. They have not corrected the mistake. They have been told by many, many people exactly what must be done to correct the mistake. They have made it abundantly clear that they do not wish to correct the mistake because it will mean taking a minor step back and doing things through proper channels rather than cutting corners.
Hell? Slight exaggeration don't you think? So lets ease up on the emotive one-liners and keep it real.
Uh, it's a common saying that basically means "Everybody has good intentions, but good intentions don't justify bad behavior." Which is quite apropos in this situation.
If you're not able for security reasons, then don't.
I won't be .... for security reasons. I haven't seen any serious regard for the security of it's members by this group.
After my initial excitement, I was very disappointed by their actions. I had a lot of respect for the members on the board, but when those members have had the chance to correct mistakes, they didn't come to the party. There was even a thread locked by a member in an attempt to end discussions here on JWN. That is not cool.
The matter has been corrected now and due apologies have been made.
It has not. They still have NOT removed the people that were auto-added. They STILL have not corrected that error.
Therefore how about cutting them some slack?
Not until they step up and fix the problem. It will literally take 5 minutes.
You never made a mistake that harmed others, apologised and corrected the mistake? Did you hope to be forgiven? I'm sure you have. I know I have.
What I may or may not have done is not in any way relevant.
Hell? Slight exaggeration don't you think? So lets ease up on the emotive one-liners and keep it real.
Great idea. You should retract your emotive one-liner when you tried to bring my actions (of which you are 100% ignorant) into it then. I'll be happy to wait for you to fix that.
In any event, real people were harmed and there is potential for much more that they simply refuse to fix. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Going forward AAWA can do a great deal of long term good to those exiting the WT and to those contemplating joining. I suggest we focus on that rather than the errors made on the learning curve right at the beginning of their work.
Unless they actually DO learn from this error and get around to fixing it, all it will ever be is a millstone around their neck.
The matter has been corrected now
I want proof of that please. Now would be good.
The kicker is that, rather than fix the issue, they did THIS:
I won't be .... for security reasons. I haven't seen any serious regard for the security of it's members by this group.
Fine. But its a learning curve they're on and I'm sure lessons will be learnt. Meanwhile how about the members on this site easing up on the rhetoric and realising the potential of AAWA?
How about everybody stop moaning about an error and start looking beyond to the worthwhile goals and aims of AAWA. And lets face it, if you are a volunteer, you've got a voice and an opportunity to input.
Is that something this site can endorse? Have you or the OP read their mission statement on jwactivists.com ? Is it a goal you can agree with?
They're not gonna get it right everytime, nobody does. But to act as if the whole venture is unworthy of consideration based on a naive mistake in the beginning is a real shame
