Why isn't anyone on JWN invited to the Facebook discussion by AAWA tonight?

by wha happened? 159 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  EntirelyPossible

  They're not gonna get it right everytime, nobody does. But to act as if the whole venture is unworthy of consideration based on a naive mistake in the beginning is a real shame

  They are STILL exposing the security of people and REFUSING to fix it. They haven't gotten it right the first time and willfull will not do it. It's moved WAY past naive mistake.

  I can't understand why you are asking for mercy for someone who is, right now, willfully exposing and compromising the security of the very people they claim to help.

  How about they get NOTHING until they fix the problem they created?
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  venetian

  This explanation is from JuanViega from AAWA regarding the bogus site.

  At that point I messaged the owner of the other site, gave him my phone number and asked him to call me at home. He did and we talked. I requested that he immediately take down our logo and stop referring people to our site without their knowledge or permission. I'm not sure if he hung up on me or we were simply disconnected, but I now had his number on my cell phone. So I called him back. I could tell he was upset with me, but while I was on the phone he removed the crappy image of our logo and put up another image totally unrelated to AAWA - or even his own Facebook page. He agreed to stop sending new members to our site and indicated that he would notify all of his members that they might want to check our site and remove their names. Since then he has changed the status of his page to a more private setting.

  While our conversation was a bit tense and not entirely friendly, I tried to make it clear that we did not consider him our enemy and appreciated his trying to help us get a good start, but going ahead on his own without checking with us had created problems for us and had offended and outed many FB users. I tried to explain to him that I considered him a friend, felt we both had similar goals, but there was a right way and a wrong way to assist our growth. He just "went ahead of Jehovah" - oops, I mean "AAWA" - and in doing so had caused us a great deal of embarrassment, grief, and cleanup work.

  We've been closely watching our membership levels and so far they have remained steady at around 1325 members. So in spite of the complaints here on JWN about this fiasco, we have not seen any indications of a mass exodus of "offended" members, and any who have left have been immediately replaced by an equivalent number of new members. There has been only a trickle of any emails sent to us or through our website complaining about this situation, and most have been quite understanding about it all. It has only been here on JWN that complaints and accusations have been continuous and harsh toward us about this incident. If anyone still has a problem, email me at [email protected] and I'll see that it is immediately corrected.
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  venetian

  Now will you ease up?
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  EntirelyPossible

  This explanation is from JuanViega from AAWA regarding the bogus site.

  Yeah, they are keeping the referred members who got NO notification they had been added. Elders can see faders, etc. They AREN'T FIXING THE PROBLEM. Security is compromised and it's not being fixed.

  Major screwup out of the gate and nothing but justification on why they think it's OK to compromise others (while protecting themselves AND using that security breach to promote themselves).

  Horrid. In the digital world we live in, this is such a major issue that it goes beyond comphrension on why they have YET to fix it.
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  venetian

  Oh boy

  It has only been here on JWN that complaints and accusations have been continuous and harsh toward us about this incident.

  Aint that the truth!

  You know what? This thread has left me thinking about some of the personalities on this site. There are many on here that are reasonable, understanding but are not afraid to say their piece (quite right too)

  Yet there are others that expect perfection, never accept any explanation, never forgive or acknowledge someone's efforts in trying to do the right thing.
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  EntirelyPossible

  Now will you ease up?

  Why? They haven't fixed the problem.
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  venetian

  Entirelypossible

  It seems to me that your attitude is the problem here, not AAWA. Its no wonder AAWA has distanced itself from such harsh unreasonable characters like yourself. I will too.

  Have a good weekend.
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  EntirelyPossible

  Aint that the truth!

  I have no way of knowing that as I don't have access to their email and, in point of fact, unless you are on the board or they have given you unrestricted access to their email database, neither do you. What I do know is that it's irrelevant. It affected people here, is a huge security breach and THEY AREN'T FIXING IT.

  In fact, rather than fixing it, they left and are now using it to promote themselves, completely ignoring the potential this has to harm other people.

  Absolutely horrid.
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  fizzywiglet

  Yup, read the rest of Juan Viego's explanation and the deconstruction of it all that followed.

  An AAWA member participated in and sanctioned the force-adding (she was confronted over force-adding 1,000 people long before said "bogus" person came onto the scene on 4/7, according to Juan). She was confronted days earlier and pooh-poohed everybody's concerns in her capacity as an AAWA representative; AAWA and its board members stood behind her and did not address the concerns at that time.

  The "bogus" page was "bogus" only in that they enthusiastically used the AAWA logo as their profile picture to show support. They did not pretend to be AAWA, they did not force-add people to a fake AAWA page. This was the owner of another FB page, but he also was a member of the AAWA group. He was NOT force-adding people to his group, but to the AAWA group, just as AAWA members/volunteers had been doing for several days already. AAWA should never have allowed members of their group the ability to force-add. But they did. In fact, their representative ENCOURAGED it openly on their page, saying that "PM-ing 1,000 people to invite them to join was too much work"...so then this guy does it, and now they're trying to throw him under the bus for following their example?

  In any event, now that they are aware, all they have to do is remove the people that were force-added and then privately invite them to join properly. It's very easy to do. But they REFUSE to do it. Because they want to be able to brag that they have over 1,000 "members". But they don't. Those 1,000 people did not consent to sign on to their cause, and have been placed at risk.

  Juan Viejo also admitted that WT apologists/moles were force-added, along with people who had no interest in or history of JW activism. So faders or those still married to JW spouses continue to be at risk of being outed, and it's been well established that many or most of these people had absolutely no idea they were force-added, because FB doesn't send you an email notification when somebody force-adds you to a group. Many now have come out of the woodwork who had no idea for a week that they were force-added, until they read about this disaster on JWN.
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  EntirelyPossible

  Yet there are others that expect perfection, never accept any explanation, never forgive or acknowledge someone's efforts in trying to do the right thing.

  Please. All they have to do is FIX THE PROBLEM. No one expects perfection. Just stop with the mudslinging at other people. You might as well blame the rape victim

  It seems to me that your attitude is the problem here, not AAWA.

  I know. Expecting people to fix a security breach that could harm others rather than attempt to profit from that breach, escpecially when the breach would take 5 minutes to fix, is so unreasonable.

  You know what? That was sarcasm. I should have spoken more plainly.

  You are 100% wrong on this. There is no scenario in which their behavior or any attempt at justification is acceptable. If you think that purposefully allowing a security breach to continue that can harm faders, born-ins still trapped and afraid of shunning and children of JWs, then there is no amount of sense or reason that can penetrate the denseness of your thought process and there is no point in continuing to try to reason with you.

  Its no wonder AAWA has distanced itself from such harsh unreasonable characters like yourself.

  Calling names and running away? You should be on their board.