Is it GOOD that God KILLS BABIES??? Help needed in debate (page 4)

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Yes, use the same points and logic from this article. Just be careful though, or you might see yourself before a judicial committee pretty quick.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/raymond_bradley/moral.html

cofty

AA - you don't really need anybody to tell you why that is a ridiculous argument do you?

Bloody Hotdogs!

Thanks for all your good advice! Wish I could have used more of it, but here's how the conversation went:

My mom came prepared to talk about two specific cases: the death of David’s son and the death of all Egypt's first born.

To the first, she said God had nothing to do with killing David's son. The baby was probably already sick. The words 'and Jehovah dealt a blow to the child so that it took sick' could mean anything, including that God simply allowed it to die of a preexisting condition.

To the second, she said God would never have killed any Egyptian child that had the right heart condition.

To say the least, we had to agreed to disagree. Have you ever heard those arguments applied to these stories?? I hadn't, and am frankly gob smacked. It's an outright denial of the Bible's own account, is it not? There's no way those are the official WT talking points, is there?

Dismissing servant

So noone of the firstborn in Egypt had the right heart condition?

Yes, you are right, this is not WT-dogma. But that's good, in that case she is going outside WT-teaching to defend god/WT. In that case, try to get her to give reference to her statements. But you still have to act careful.

Comatose

Those are not WT points. I recently looked up the David's son one. It said it was loving because God could have killed David and Bathsheba for their sin.

sspo

The conclusion of the matter could be that Jehovah, just like all the other god's of the nations past and present are just made up and so is the bible, a book written by men with some moral wisdom and some ugly stuff as discussed above.

problemaddict

Here is what she is going to say in some form or another.

Jehovah is a God fo the living and of the dead, so the punishment of those families which included their children because of his law, is not without a way out. Jesus shed blood covers all of humanity, and the babies that dies during that time will get to be resurrected in the new world.

Then what you are going to say is, where des it say that in the bible, and why the heck would Jehovah slaughter babies and just raise them up a few minutes later (a few minutes to him that is). In addition, ask them if they have ever heard of Camp 14 in North Korea. Anderson Cooper did an interview with a young man who was born there and escaped. He was born there because his grandfather was a political dissident, and the jerks in charge over there have a "3 generations of punishment" policy to purge dissention. So Jehovah and the North Korean dictatorship think the same?

Finkelstein

I hear there's going to be a new celebration day for the JWS and they are going to call it " Whack a Kid Day " .

The thinking is that god will approve of this and grant appeasement to all who partake come Armageddon.

Heaven

To the second, she said God would never have killed any Egyptian child that had the right heart condition.

This is the same BS my Dad tried to pull on me when I asked him why God permits gestating babies to contract HIV-AIDS.

It's just f'ed up.

return of parakeet

IMO, dubs are trained by the WTS to think that God's murdering babies is justified, because that allows dub parents to feel good about themselves when they allow their own children to die when a blood transfusion could have saved them.

Man may not have been created in God's image, but dubs do a good job emulating him.

Is it GOOD that God KILLS BABIES??? Help needed in debate

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