Maybe they will use some sort of lottery. When you die you are assigned 5 or 6 numbers and you get to "play" those numbers until your numbers match the numbered balls they have selected.
Rub a Dub
I am confused by the "reserrection" doctrine. Who will be raised first Old testament people or people who die right before Armaggeddon?
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villagegirl
Blondie - As well intentioned as it may be, to "hang them with their own words";
this does not seem to be the effect a quote from
the WT seems to produce, in this audience.
You can see by the responses that the members
here, take the WT to be a sort of "holy source"
and the only 'challegers' tend to be atheists who discredit
themselves by the fact they are atheists
The WT for the JW is reference they do not want to "go beyond".
What you are really doing is acting as an apologist
Because you always use the same source and it is
the source that is flawed.
You are the go-to person to use the Watchtower and try
to 'clarify their doctrines' using their own literature as an authority.
This is CIRCULAR REASONING that always ends up at the same source.
The WT is an expert in circular reasoning.
They start from a false premise and prove their position
using the false premise. You claim to be a "purist" because
as you say "I am not here to teach my personal opinion" ????
But to "help jws and ex jws know what the WTS teaches" ??
But this is not true, you often criticisize what you have qouted.
THAT is using your "personal opinion". Which is great, except you stop
at bringing in any other source except the WT.
And the sense you leave is it is "we" the "insiders" are indeed the
only ones who have "special knowledge" and where do "we"
get this special knowledge ? From the Watchtower, because
that is the sole source you refer to. How about considering other sources,
on the same subjects ? Or just scriptures ?
You are still following the WT "Taboo" ;
which is , do not think for yourself,
do not read any other literature,
do not look into other explanations, do not
"go beyond", what is written in the Watchtower publications.
The reference by the way the WT uses about "do not go beyond",
is from the Bible, and it refers to not going beyond scripture.
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bigmac
resurrection ?? ok-------to the flat earth i guess.
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Stealth
Villagegirl, Blondie was just showing what the WT doctrine is with reagrd to reserrection. There is no better way than to show right from the source what the WT doctrine is. At least that is the way I understood the OP question to be asking.
How would you expain the doctrine if not to use their own words? Your own interpretaion?
Anyway, a random thought on the topic. Wouldn't any people who died of natural causes or were murdered just before the big A starts be the most lucky people in the world? They didn't have to suffer through the great tribulation but will still get reserrected. Hopefully they will listen to the 'truth' or they will just have to die again in 1,000 years.
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villagegirl
Stealth- re-read booker-t's question
- NO-where does Booker-T say in the original question
"Tell me what the Watchtower says about about the resurrection"
The Blondie begins by saying: " In general the WTS teaches....
" Who asked what the WT teaches???
Why assume the WT teaching has any validity, or is even biblical.???
The WT teachings are all about supporting the WTS
as the "sole channel of communication" which they are NOT.
Is this forum restricted to WT teachings ?? How about other teachings?
I thought it was open to thinking, to critical analysis.
The WT prohibits "independent thinking"
No "personal opinions", no other references except WT ???
In the WTS 'Opinions' are thought of as something that can damage "truth"
That is nonsense. What about; just what the Bible says,
without consulting the WT ?? At all !!!
Why is the WT supposed to bring 'clarity' to any biblical question ??
I am not against Blondie, I simply invite her to read some other references,
Strong's Concordance ?
Jewish commentaries on the Bible? The International Critical Commentary ??
The Christian Classics Ethereal Library ?
Henry Matthew's Commentary on the Whole Bible ?
A Concise History of the Church; Apostolic Era to the Reformation, by Alfred E knight ?
If I did not respect Blondie, I would not debate her at all.
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Stealth
Villagegirl, booker-t would have to clarify the scope of his question, but that is the way I took it since he/she put the word "reserrection" in quotes was they were asking about what the WT doctrine is. After all, this is a JW discussion forum.
So if booker-t was asking for our general opinions on the "reserrection" doctrine, why not offer up your interpretation instaead of bashing other posters for the contributions they make? How about answering his questions then? What is the doctrine of the "reserrection" according to Villagegirl?
If he is asking for our interpretaion and not that of the WT, then I would refer him/her back to 'return of the parakeet' and 'bigmac' for the correct answer.
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Dismissing servant
So, Villagegirl, why don't you give him you own answer?
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villagegirl
Stealth: I would suggest getting a really comprehensive concordance
and looking up the word resurrection and read all the biblical
references sited where the word appears in the bible.
There are also many scriptures where there is descriptions of death,
and rebirth, putting on a new body, tranference, resurrection of the dead
to be judged according to their deeds, immortality,
all searchable in Hebrew and Greek scriptures.
This 'put down' of any thinking outside the box,
like you want to imply I have my "own doctrines,"
is a way to invalidate my suggestion that there are many other
sources to go to, besides the Wachtower.
This forum is not WT approved my friend, it is considered an
Apostate/forbidden place, or didn't you know ???
The attempt to dismiss real Bible scholars who
actually read the scriptures in the original languages
and debate their meaning and have written the commentaries
I cited as, not appropriate here, is exactly what the WT does to
spiritually abuse people. Its OK to read the Bible and consider
what it says and discuss it openly, without being called crazy.
" Come let us reason together " isn't that what the Bible encourages?
The Bible was written for mere humans. No WT needed to understand it.
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Stealth
So if he/she were to do what you suggest and do all of that research, then he/she will get the answer to who will be raised first? People of old or more recent generations? Somehow I doubt it.
Thanks, but no thanks, I will pass, as I already know the answer per my previous post.
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villagegirl
Stealth- You "know" the answer ???
You mean; you read what the Watchtower wrote and you believe
the Watchtower to be the;
"sole channel of communication between mankind and God" ??
So that means all the chronologies of the Watchtower
you believe as well and "know" to be true?
And you believe that through the Watchtower you have
"special knowledge" that "protects" you ??
I suggest , read the Bible and you say "thanks but no thanks" ??
Do you really think the WT knows in what "order the dead will be raised" ???
Really ?? And you know the answer ? Because of the Watchtower ?
And when the Watchtower changes the order of the resurrection
of the dead will Jehovah then obey the Watchtower ??
NO Stealth, you do not know the answer and neither does the WT.
All we need to know is that there is hope of life after death.
Plotting out precise timetables for resurrections is for arrogant fools.