Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC 371 Replies latest jw friends

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  QC

  Why did he wait forever to create the universe?

  (Cont'd: God never has “wait time” or latency or delay or procrastination)

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt2lueTLHF4 (8 min)

  So, there are TWO ways to view time.

  A time: Time according to an Earth orientation

  • Past, present, future

  B time: Time according to the Einstein Relativity orientation, God’s and physicist view of time

  • NO past, present or future

  JW leadership’s obsession with God's “delay” (a misunderstanding) led to their shenanigans of fraud and parishioner abuse.
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  prologos

  option B is interesting and true.

  If there is no past, no present no future then there is no time or time=0

  and that is exactly the duration of the "now" we live in.

  we clearly do not live in the past, definitely not in the future.

  but this zero dimension time slice,or razor edge we exist in, keeps moving through time along with our suroundings.

  There are two conditions that movement through tome comes to a halt,

  going through space at "c" the speed of light, you loose also one spatial dimensions and

  in a total gravity well, a black hole. in singularity.

  can we think of existence in these conditions in pure energy, highest concentration of matter at the beginning,

  NOT MOVING THROUGH TIME, but

  stationary in time, and

  then slowly accelerating as the universe expands? gravity lessens?

  * Simon, reading your original post : does our speed through time not SLOW rather go faster in the presence of gravity? I am using gravity, because you can have mass but no gravity.

  take the center of the earth, surrounded by all that mass, balanced, there is internally generated ,NO GRAVITY at the center of gravity.

  A clock that measures movement through time, goes fastest at the center of the earth, slowest on the surfaces and then speeds up again as you climb away without orbital velocity. If you accelerate horzontally to maintain orbit, your clock slows even more. all this has been measured.

  somebody also referred to the creator as a "creature" existing before the big band, biding his time, that is confusing to call the creator of the god particle, the Hicks Boson a creature.May be there is a kernel of truth to the the oicture of "God" sitting, he is not moving through time as we are, if our clocks are not lying.

  sadly, wt has its adherents living "in the future" and as option B above shows , our future does not exist until our slice of time, the knife edge moves there.
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  QC

  cofty: New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Paleontology

  Science magazine:

  • “This is a fantastic and important discovery, but I don’t think the evidence they have lives up to this broad claim they are making . They say this falsifies that Australopithecus sediba is the ancestor of Homo . The very simple response is, no it doesn’t .”
  • “What all this screams out for is more and better specimens. We need skeletons, more complete material, so we can look at them from head to toe,” he added. “ Any time a scientist says ‘we’ve got this figured out’ they are probably wrong . It’s not the end of the story.” —Science 18 October 2013: Vol. 342 no. 6156 pp. 326-331 DOI: 10.1126/science.1238484

  Senior editor of Nature, the scientific journal:

  • “We have all seen the canonical parade of apes, each one becoming more human. We know that, as a depiction of evolution, this line-up is tosh (i.e. nonsense). Yet we cling to it. Ideas of what human evolution ought to have been like still colour our debates.” —Henry Gee, editor of Nature (478, page 34, doi:10.1038/478034a),
  • “No fossil is buried with its birth certificate. That, and the scarcity of fossils, means that it is effectively impossible to link fossils into chains of cause and effect in any valid way… To take a line of fossils and claim that they represent a lineage is not a scientific hypothesis that can be tested, but an assertion that carries the same validity as a bedtime story—amusing, perhaps even instructive, but not scientific.” —Henry Gee, In Search of Deep Time: Beyond the Fossil Record to a New History of Life

  The Darwinian Evolution paradigm has never been proven. Its predictions (species graduations form a common ancestry tree), starting with simple cells upward to more complex gradations arriving at modern man, evidence is never found in the fossil record. And, despite a thorough search and evaluation, no materialistic causes or evolutionary mechanisms have demonstrated the power to produce large amounts of specified or functional information (or integrated circuitry) that’s found in the DNA and genome of living cells.

  Evolution is the atheist’s philosophical ‘darling’, a materialistic way to explain the cosmos sidestepping the cause-and-effect principle of a beginner (first cause). It’s an elaborate convoluted way of saying (in scientific jargon) that the entire universe happened by chance.

  Typically the scientific protocol for any scientific hypothesis is: if its predictions fail ONE time ever, it’s eliminated as a serious scientific theory. If Evolution fails, why does it still exist?

  It survives because it has the backing of a powerful secular lobby with tentacles in all the secular institutions (including education). Evolution is secular religious dogma for god antagonist to repeat ad nauseum. And, it sticks. It’s able to constantly reinvent itself because it’s a hedge against fanatical religion (understandably). Proponents have massive faith a scientific miracle will achieve its legitimacy.

  This tactic is opposite of how the scientific method works, but circumstances allow it.
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  cantleave

  QC - you still don't understand science do you? See Cofty's thread on this subject.
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  QC

  Darwin's Doubt review:

  “Relying on Lyell's dictum, Meyer asks: What in our common experience is the source of the complex, specified information that is observed in the organic cell? Intelligence is the only source responsible for such information, not an accidental un-intelligent force like blind, Darwinian evolution.

  But mind is an "unseen force," materialists argue who, like 19th century phrenologists, yearn for an explanation that they can physically lay their hands on. But gravity is invisible, yet it remains a fundamental part of the scientific edifice precisely because, like intelligence, we constantly witness its effects.”

  —New Oxford Review, by Terry Scambray
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  snare&racket

  For what it's worth I think time is a concept we have created much like free will.

  I believe time is a moment in a transfer of energy between two states induced spontaneously, the transfer of energy is progressive and we are simply observing it.

  We are monitoring the transfer of energy following the bib bang and we call the progressive energy transfer and the changes it induces a passing of 'time'. I don't think it exists as a real thing. The sun rises and sets according to the energy in our solar system , we visualise that and due to pattern recognition see it as a measure of such energy transfer and see it as a measurement of passing.

  As for time altering according to where you ar in the universe, likewise energy behaves differently in these zones due to the forces of gravity. Again I believe we are just measuring the moments in the passing of energy transfer.

  I know this sounds insane and I am sure a physicist would spit in my face, but having thought about it alot and read much physics, I see no evidence for the existence of time.

  The best way I can describe it, is an experiment, where spontaneous energy transfer takes place, so the experiment goes from state A, spontaneous energy transfer, to state B stability. As the energy transfers from A to B, visible alteration in energy would be visible as the enrgy dissipated through the system. We could seperate every moment from A to B and define it as time, but really it is just the transfer or energy. In some regions the transfer will be quicker than others i.e. different amounts of progress in energy transfer.

  It is relevant as we have to define what time is and how it was introduced, I really see no reason to believe it exists.

  But then I am a dumb medical undergrad with a handful of physics books for idiots and a couple of Brian Cox programs under my belt...

  Interesting stuff though ...
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  DS211

  no offense guys but if you wanted to really revamp most witness' idea about being tossed about like waves of the sea and therefore strengthen their belief in JWism this is the thread to use. Shows that people cant see eye to eye on shit nor explain the ever complexity of evokution vs counter evolution in simple terms for all to understand.....just sayin.
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  jgnat

  No prepackaged meals IRL, DS211. You are going to have to chew on the meat and spit out the bones.
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  LisaRose

  DS211, wait, what ?

  Some people do not accept evolution, despite all evidence to the contrary. How does that in any way disprove evolution?

  I learned a lot from this thread. Yes, debate is messy, but that neither proves or disproves evolution. I understand that previously you had your information handed to you in the Watchtower, nice and neat and tied with a bow. The fact that you are hear tells me that you are ready to figure out the truth. Get rid of your preconceived ideas and go back and go back and read the thread with an open mind.
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  DS211

  Im having trouble keeping up lol...no youre right. But im just sayin if my witness buddy whos havin doubts and wanted to learn more about evokution and looked here...hed probably run and hide back in the WT...i do apologize im just frustrated!! My mind is split inabout 8 directions. So i do apologize for having preconceived notions..and youre right i should go back and read it.....again lol thanksfor the peptalk.