Zimmerman Not guilty (page 37)

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Hummingbird- came in from a long hot day at work and saw that, Sci-fi has finally landed

One of the things Nelson Mandela became convinced of was the human will and courage to change, and for the better.

Simon

It appears a trend has begun.

Really? You think people say "hey - that's a good idea! I'll try a bit of that too ..."

Or the reality - crimes like this happen every day and you only notice it more now because it is the hot media topic and so get's reported.

Re: the 'Lean' drug - according to the video posted the drink and skittles can be used as ingredients and though it isn't proof of use, Trayvon Martin's autopsy showed he had first signs of organ damage that would be consistent with it's use.

I believe it can cause aggression and paranoia. Hmmn.

(not 100% sure on all these facts, would need to re-watch the video / check details)

Oculos Aperire

I was referring to the 'Stand Your Ground' defence. You just need to say that you feel your life was in imminent danger then you can just blow anyone's head off. Only in America of course. It definitely helps if the person you shot is African American with a poor school record and smokes the occasioanl blunt.

tec

If Zimmerman has been given the 'innocent unless proven guilty' in the court of law, we should probably give TM the same thing.

Lots of hoodlums (of any race) running around under the age of 18, who manage to turn their lives around. Often by getting a good kick in the butt (physical or emotional), and sometimes just by growing up.

I haven't read through all of these long threads... is the ease of owning and carrying a gun not the elephant in the room?

No gun, no shooting... at least not in this instance.

I see lots of things at play here. Like the ease of carrying a gun around, and outside at that. No gun; no shooting. And also TM going back to confront some guy who was following him... one thing I tell my sons AND my husband: you never know who it is you might be picking a fight with, no matter what they may have done to provoke you. They might have a knife, or a gun... or if you have one, they might take them from you and use them on you, when the worst that might have happened otherwise is some blood and bruises, but no lives lost.

Maybe its taboo to bring up the gun thing though?

Peace,

tammy

tec

(I don't mean taboo on the forum, btw... just taboo in general, as in some people don't want it to be about guns so don't talk about that, kind of taboo)

Peace,

tammy

sooner7nc

You just need to say that you feel your life was in imminent danger then you can just blow anyone's head off. Only in America of course. It definitely helps if the person you shot is African American with a poor school record and smokes the occasioanl blunt.

Of course not! How patently absurd of you to make this conclusion. However if you're getting the everloving fuck beat out of you then you're in the right.

I challenge anyone on here to not use the gun if you were in GZ's place.

sooner7nc

Taboo Smaboo. That argument is flawed and empty.

Simon

I was referring to the 'Stand Your Ground' defence. You just need to say that you feel your life was in imminent danger then you can just blow anyone's head off. Only in America of course. It definitely helps if the person you shot is African American with a poor school record and smokes the occasioanl blunt.

I agree, it seems to be a silly rule - I think most reasonable people can understand self-defense but when you are not in danger or can retreat without an incident and you decide to be the aggressor? That's a difficult law to police properly.

I haven't read through all of these long threads... is the ease of owning and carrying a gun not the elephant in the room?

The thing I don't get about the guns is this - if you are going to argue that you should be allowed to have them including for self defense (often quoted) then why is everyone getting so upset when someone eventually uses one for self defence?! When there is a spree-killing people are all "you can't take our guns !!!" gung-ho and militant but when someone uses one to defend themselves there are lots of people with their heads down, awkward shuffling of feet and mumbling. Seems back-to-front to me.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so sickening but now we have the "stars" jumping onto things. Expect every song sung for the next month to be "dedicated to Trayvon". The reality being that most of those stars would not want the Trayvon's of the world coming anywhere near them but I guess they have to appeal to their customer base and give the crowd what they want to hear ...

Simon

I challenge anyone on here to not use the gun if you were in GZ's place.

I agree - I think it's hard to come up with a better legitimate case of self-defense, but I think they were talking about the "stand your ground" laws where apparently you can shoot even if you have the possibility of retreat.

i.e. you could avert the situation ... "but why the hell should you? You are an American with a GUN"

It does seem a very poorly considered law if that really is the case which would be open to abuse.

Zimmerman Not guilty

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