You atheist really annoyed me

by confusedandalone 226 Replies latest jw friends

  • cofty
    cofty

    That is exactly right Anony mous. I was thinking the same thing about Newton. He opted out of doing science a few times and attributed things he couldn't figure out to god.

    Why all the planets revolve on the same plane stumped him for example. It was at these points that he stopped doing science.

    Truth Seeker - As I said a few times there are some excellent scientists who are theists. As long as they don't resort to, "god-did-it" it's not a problem.

    If they claim inspiration for their discoveries that's fine. Nothing says a scientist can't be superstitious, we are only ever partially rational. That is why the scientific method is designed to eradicate the effects of subjective bias from the data.

    I could explain this a thousand times but SBF is determined not to get it as usual.

    Perhaps even Darwin himself who was not above suggesting that God created a few primitive life forms and evolution took over for there.

    He did get close to suggesting exactly that.

    “There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.”

  • Truth seeker 674
    Truth seeker 674

    Well said cofty! Your a man or woman after my own heart.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Why all the planets revolve on the same plane stumped him for example. It was at these points that he stopped doing science.

    According to your conception of what science should involve, not his own.

  • cofty
    cofty

    When Newton said the only reason the planets revolve on the same plane is that god did it he was not doing science by any definition. Anony mous has given you another even better example of how theism stalls science.

    The "Intelligent Design" movement is modern example of the same thing.

    I didn't invent or define science or the scientific method SBF.

    Why have you made such a big deal out of a trivial tangent taken by Seraphim? This has little or nothing to do with the topic.

  • Seraphim23
    Seraphim23

    I think that Slimboyfat is making a lot of sense.

    The real historical relationship between science and belief in a God is far more complex than the presently common Whig history of science. On a very simple level science or that which led to modern science today, arose in part by people expecting to find laws in nature because they believed in a law giver. Many examples of this are found in history and a good argument can be made that faith in a deity boosted the beginnings of the scientific revolutions of the past, rather than impede it.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I'm responding to what you're saying.

    You claimed that science and theism don't mix.

    But what you mean is that they should not mix in your view.

    You can't seem to understand the difference.

  • Truth seeker 674
    Truth seeker 674

    Seraphim23: Why do you think my parents hated science so much? Just currious?

  • Truth seeker 674
    Truth seeker 674

    And to slim boy I am an agnostic not an an aethiest all I do is ask questions. That is what a true scientist does.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I am agnostic too, toward the atheist end of the spectrum.

  • Truth seeker 674
    Truth seeker 674

    well then we are on common ground Slimboy.

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