Watkins
mp - Jesus spoke to the world he was in - slavery then, I think, was much like 'employment' is today - we do slave away for our employers, don't we - and the same 'rules' apply.
mP:
You dont slave for your employer, you work for them. In Jesus day, masters could kill and rape at will. I highly doubt you work all day and night with no freedom like slaves back then did. You belittle their sorrow by comparing your easy life with theirs. Be honest, making comparisons like this make you look foolish and dishonest.
I think you just admitted that Jesus was backwards and filled with social attitudes we dont need.
Watkins:
As far as women go - Jesus broke Jewish rules by even talking to women! (Samaritan woman at the well)
mP:
Wow. Was he too busy to tell us this was wrong ? If he couldnt figure out it was, why listen to anythng he says ?
W:
Giving money to the synagogue, like in the illustration of the widow's mite - was, in part, for dispersion to the poor and needy.
mP:
Bullshit. There i no scripture in the BIble that says the temple money goes to the poor. Of course im wrong show me a few.
W:
Giving taxes to the Roman government which ruled over the Jews at that time - is just like taxing by our governments today.
MP:
You missed the point. Why is Jesus telling people to pay tax, but never mentions the evils of slavery or the poor treatment of women ? Talk about proorities.
W:
I don't understand your point on that, because it's the same - if we don't pay 'Ceasar' what's due, we go to jail. Jesus didn't want his followers staging a rebellion that would end up with them imprisoned or dead, so he only stated the obvious.
mP:
And what about the women, their mothers, daugthers, wives ? Dont they deserve some freedom from the stupid religion of hate ?
W:
Yes, there are many subjects that aren't even addressed in the Gospels, and many of Jesus' sayings on many topics weren't written down. But treating people well with love and forgiveness covers every single thing, don't you think?
MP:
Jesus was quoting Lev 18. Jesus did not say anything new. Lev 18 refers to loving jewish people and we all know how that society turned out.
He only said that message once, but spoke about taxation, obedience to government and masters over and over again. What message do you think he was trying to drill ?
H
Instead of setting up a new religion, he provided escape from the old religion. Just because religion, in general, doesn't accept that - it's not Jesus' fault!
w
Thats a lie, ~Mat 5:17 says that the Torah will last forever. There are many examples and scriptures where J follows and urges others to continue following the Torah along with their cruel customs and traditions contained in the Mitzvot.
At no stage did Jesus ever give or state he was giving a replacement. Again scriptures. You really should stop making up untruths about people and elevating men who are essential terrible people. There are many people who follow a similar system to Jesus in their society in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia. Im sure we both agree the religion there is a prison and not a liberation and anyone who believes so is a fool.
