Does The Governing Body Believe Their Own Lies? Are They Deliberate Liars? Are They Using the Common Human Trait Of Self-Deception

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  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    When we awaken from the indoctrinated coma of the Watchtower Corporation and starts to see all the lies and half truths one naturally wonders: Does the Governing Body really believe all the stuff that they have printed in their publication? Are they so indoctrinated that they too are victims of the falsehood that the Watchtower prints? And now with the grandeous claims that the Governing Body a lone are the Faithful and Discreet Slave of God doing his will do they really beleive such grandeous bullshit? This wiki article on "Self-deception" sheds light on this matter, and the answer is still not clear but the subject is treated very well and I posted most of it, just click on the link for the whole article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-deception

    Self-deception is a process of denying or rationalizing away the relevance, significance, or importance of opposing evidence and logical argument . Self-deception involves convincing oneself of a truth (or lack of truth) so that one does not reveal any self-knowledge of the deception.

    Definitional problems [ edit source | edit beta ]

    A consensus on the identification of self-deception remains elusive to contemporary philosophers, the result of the term's paradoxical elements and ambiguous paradigmatic cases. Self-deception also incorporates numerous dimensions, such as epistemology, psychological and intellectual processes, social contexts, and morality. As a result, the term is highly debated and occasionally argued to be an impossible phenomenon.

    Analysis [ edit source | edit beta ]

    The traditional paradigm of self-deception focuses on interpersonal deception, as described by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. In this paradigm, A intentionally gets B to believe some proposition p, all the while knowing or believing truly ~p. Such deception is intentional and requires the deceiver to know or believe ~p and the deceived to believe p. On this traditional mode, self-deceivers must (1) hold contradictory beliefs and (2) intentionally get themselves to hold a belief they know or believe truly to be false. [1]

    The process of rationalization, however, can obscure the intent of self-deception. Brian McLaughlin illustrates that such rationalizations in certain circumstances permit the phenomenon. When a person, who disbelieves p, intentionally tries to make himself believe or continue believing p by engaging in such activities, and, as a result unintentionally misleads himself into believing or continuing to believe p via biased thinking, he deceives himself in a way appropriate for self-deception. No deceitful intention is required for this. [2]

    Psychology [ edit source | edit beta ]

    Self-deception calls into question the nature of the individual, specifically in a psychological context and the nature of "self". Irrationality is the foundation upon which the argued paradoxes of self-deception stem, and it is argued that not everyone has the "special talents" and capacities for self-deception. [3] However, rationalization is influenced by a myriad of factors, including socialization, personal biases, fear, and cognitive repression. Such rationalization can be manipulated in both positive and negative fashions; convincing one to perceive a negative situation optimistically and vice versa. In contrast, rationalization alone cannot effectively clarify the dynamics of self-deception, as reason is just one adaptive form mental processes can take. [4] It can moreover be argued that current psychology's attempts to study processes, mechanism, and functions of self-deception often suffer from inadequate explications of the very concept of self-deception, and that the concept of rationality at work in such studies is not unproblematic either. In effect, such studies perhaps do not even succeed in showing that the phenomenon exists at all.

    Paradoxes of self-deception [ edit source | edit beta ]

    The works of philosopher Alfred R. Mele have provided insight into some of the more prominent paradoxes regarding self-deception. Two of these paradoxes include the self-deceiver's state of mind and the dynamics of self-deception, coined the "static" paradox and the "dynamic/strategic" paradox, respectively.

    Mele formulates an example of the "static" paradox as the following:

    If ever a person A deceives a person B into believing that something, p, is true, A knows or truly believes that p is false while causing B to believe that p is true. So when A deceives A (i.e., himself) into believing that p is true, he knows or truly believes that p is false while causing himself to believe that p is true. Thus, A must simultaneously believe that p is false and believe that p is true. But how is this possible? [6]

    Mele then describes the "dynamic/strategy" paradox:

    In general, A cannot successfully employ a deceptive strategy against B if B knows A's intention and plan. This seems plausible as well when A and B are the same person. A potential self-deceiver's knowledge of his intention and strategy would seem typically to render them ineffective. On the other hand, the suggestion that self-deceivers typically successfully execute their self-deceptive strategies without knowing what they are up to may seem absurd; for an agent's effective execution of his plans seems generally to depend on his cognizance of them and their goals. So how, in general, can an agent deceive himself by employing a self-deceptive strategy? [6]

    These models call into question how one can simultaneously hold contradictory beliefs ("static" paradox) and deceive oneself without rendering one's intentions ineffective ("dynamic/strategic" paradox). Attempts at a resolution to these have created two schools of thought: one that maintains that paradigmatic cases of self-deception are intentional and one that denies the notion—Intentionalists and Non-Intentionalists, respectively. [1]

    Intentionalists tend to agree that self-deception is intentional, but divide over whether it requires the holding of contradictory beliefs. [1] This school of thought incorporates elements of temporal partitioning (extended over time to benefit the self-deceiver, increasing the chance of forgetting the deception altogether) and psychological partitioning (incorporating various aspects of the "self").

    Non-Intentionalists, in contrast, tend to believe that cases of self-deception are not necessarily accidental, but motivated by desire, anxiety, or some other emotion regarding p or related to p. [1] This notion distinguishes self-deception from misunderstanding. Furthermore, "wishful thinking" is distinguished from self-deception in that the self-deceivers recognize evidence against their self-deceptive belief or possess, without recognizing, greater counterevidence than wishful thinkers. [1]

    Numerous questions and debates have continued to foment regarding the paradoxes of self-deception, however, a consensual paradigm remains intangible.

    Trivers' theory of self-deception [ edit source | edit beta ]

    It has been theorized that humans are susceptible to self-deception because most people have emotional attachments to beliefs, which in some cases may be irrational. Someevolutionary biologists, such as Robert Trivers, have suggested [7] that deception plays a significant part in human behavior, and in animal behavior, more generally speaking. One deceives oneself to trust something that is not true as to better convince others of that truth. When a person convinces themself of this untrue thing, they better mask the signs of deception.

    This notion is based on the following logic: deception is a fundamental aspect of communication in nature, both between and within species. It has evolved so that one can have an advantage over another. From alarm calls to mimicry, animals use deception to further their survival. Those who are better able to perceive deception are more likely to survive. As a result, self-deception evolved to better mask deception from those who perceive it well, as Trivers puts it: "Hiding the truth from yourself to hide it more deeply from others." In humans, awareness of the fact that one is acting deceptively often leads to tell-tale signs of deception, such as nostrils flaring, clammy skin, quality and tone of voice, eye movement, or excessive blinking. Therefore, if self-deception enables someone to believe her or his own distortions, they will not present such signs of deception and will therefore appear to be telling the truth.

    Self-deception can be used both to act greater or lesser than one actually is. For example, one can act overconfident to attract a mate or act under-confident to avoid a predator or threat. If a person is capable of concealing their true feelings and intentions well, then they are more likely to successfully deceive others.

    It may also be argued that the ability to deceive, or self-deceive, is not the selected trait but a by-product of a more primary trait called abstract thinking. Abstract thinking allows many evolutionary advantages such as more flexible, adaptive behaviors and innovation. Since a lie is an abstraction, the mental process of creating a lie can only occur in animals with enough brain complexity to permit abstract thinking. [citation needed] Self-deception lowers cognitive cost; that is to say, it is less complicated for one to behave or think in a certain manner that implies something is true, if one has convinced oneself that that very thing is indeed true. The mind will not have to think constantly of the true thing and then the false thing, but simply convince itself that the false thing is true.

    Evolutionary implications of Trivers' theory of self-deception [ edit source | edit beta ]

    Because there is deceit, there exists a strong selection to recognize when deception occurs. As a result, self-deception evolves so as to better hide the signs of deception from others. The presence of deception explains the existence of an innate ability to commit self-deception to hide the indications of deceptions. Humans deceive themselves in order to better deceive others and thus have an advantage over them. In the three decades since Trivers introduced his adaptive theory of self-deception, there has been an ongoing debate over the question of such behavior having a genetic basis.

    The explanation of deception and self-deception as innate characteristics is perhaps true, but there are very many other explanations for this pattern of behavior. It is possible that the ability to self-deceive is not innate, but a learned trait, acquired through experience. For example, a person could have been caught being deceitful by revealing their knowledge of information they were trying to hide. Their nostrils flared, indicating that they were lying to the other person, and thus did not get what they wanted. Next time, to better achieve success, the person will more actively deceive themself of having knowledge to better hide the signs of deception. People, therefore, could have the capacity to learn self-deception.

    Examples [ edit source | edit beta ]

    Though the term is difficult to define, examples of self-deception are abundant in varying degrees. Simple instances of self-deception include common occurrences such as: the alcoholic who is self-deceived in believing that his drinking is under control, the husband who is self-deceived in believin

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    (1) In mathematics, the tilde symbol (~) stands for equivalence; for example, a ~ b means "a is equivalent to b" (not equal, but comparable). It also stands for approximation. Officially written as two tildes, one over the other, the single tilde has become acceptable; for example, ~100 means "approximately 100."

  • Narcissistic Supply
    Narcissistic Supply

    absolute power corrupts absolutely

    John Dalberg-Acton
  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Narcis,

    Yup, and self deception helps the process along admirably.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Frankie, I always appreciate the subjects you bring to the forum.

    However, I really wish you'd do less wholesale Cutting & Pasting from WP and present your own questions, thoughts, ideas and conclusions. Inserting a particularly relevant quote or two from a reliable source would help support your points and invite more discussion.

    You do realize that even according to WP's own guidelines, WP articles are NOT considered to be reliable sources:

    Try going to the original sources referenced in the WP articles and/or at the bottom of the WP page.

    Best regards,

    Oubliette

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Oub,

    I hear ya, but these articles say it so much better than I can write, they are very intelligent and allow the reader to make up his own mind. And it saves me lots of time, I can be pretty lazy.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Frankie, perhaps, but I think you're missing a couple of important points:

    • Any of us can go read the entire WP article if we want
    • You'll never develop your skills at articulating your own thoughts if you don't work at it
    • Less is more: if you focus on one or two points from a WP article and arouse our interest then you'll likely get more discussion here on the board
    • When you do a whole page/article Cut & Paste the formatting doesn't carry well and it makes your posts visually hard to read.
    • Laziness is no excuse

    All that being said, I really do appreciate the topics you bring to the table. It's interesting to try to understand the psychology of the WT leadership. It helps us understand ourselves better in the process. Again, laziness will not help us make any progress in this regard!

    Cheers,

    Oubliette

  • Ding
    Ding

    I tend to think the GB members believe their own hype, but who knows?

  • Narcissistic Supply
    Narcissistic Supply

    They only lie when their lips are moving!

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    Frank, from my forum experience some won't go to links (or clearly read an OP) jumping to conclusions AND commenting anyway. Many times a copyNpaste is nessesary to make a point.

    As far as Wiki is concerned, it is a decent source. They try to not let people edit without back up on info posted.

    Your intro questions lead perfectly into your sources.

    Have you read CoC? What I found interesting is Franz seems to give the impression the GB is never intentionally lying, only making interpetation judgement calls. And when they find they're wrong. They cover it up with a spin or don't correct it due to fear of losing cred.

    Personally, I feel ego and power is also a major player within the ranks.

    I also wonder the mental state and cover ups due to dementia with the aging GB....

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