by jam 39 Replies latest jw friends
Jeffro:
The Bible only suggests that marrying one's sister is against the Mosaic law - which Christians can apparently ignore. Abraham was purportedly married to his half-sister.
mP:
Gen says that he did marry his half sister. Another proof that the jews are wanna be Egyptians. Sarah = princess, Abe is a cheap copy of an Egyptian Pharoah.
mP:
Gen says that he did marry his half sister.
Yes, Genesis does say that.
There is no evidence Abraham existed. This is why I said purportedly.
The story of Abraham, along with the rest of Genesis, was almost certainly written some time around the Neo-Babylonian period.
@adamah - I suspect many cling to a religion that, according to its 'holy book' doesn't want them, because of societial or familial programming. Just like a person brought up in the Middle East is 'programmed' by Islam or a person in India might be 'programmed' by Hinduism as they grow up. There is perhaps a built-in predisposition to attach oneself to the religion that one's society/family is steeped in - often unquestioningly until adulthood or some other event intervenes and precipitates deeper thought.
At that point there is then a choice - do I abandon my religion or find some way to make it fit? Because of the attachments created from childhood, it can be very difficult to simply walk away and start afresh. In fact such a turnaround can be disastrous in terms of family or other relationships. I understand why people try to make Christianity (or any other religion) fit, but never found it convincing personally.
jeffro:
There is no evidence Abraham existed. This is why I said purportedly .
mP:
It doesnt matter if he did or didnt, for the purposes of believers who supposedly copy the heroes of the Bible, the example is set.
Gromit SK:
I understand why people try to make Christianity (or any other religion) fit, but never found it convincing personally.
I ALSO understand why people try to see if Christianity"fits" ; especially after being raised in a cult that called itself Christian. Christianity isn't something that you try on like a garmet to see if it fits you well. Of course it doesn't fit. The creature was made subject to VANITY NOT GODLINESS in the Fall of Adam. Without God's help, man can see only himself and his own works....not the work of God, which is vanity.
Jesus said that a person must be willing to abandon his loved ones and even his own SELF, to be his disciple. So, how in the world did that catch on in a world based on vanity? How can a person get to the point of overcoming the instinct of self-preservation?
It is because a Christian is someone who "believes God". He believes that there will be a judgment after death. He believes he is guilty of what he has judged others for. He believes God provided a way of being declared righteous through belief in the substitutionary atonement.
I believed this, denied myself in the biblical sense and trusted in Jesus. Now, as a born again Christian I live a life of crucifying the flesh..... not the putting on of various garmets to see if it fits this body of sin. When I do this, the new spirit God put inside me then leads me, and I have fellowship with God .... personally, and PEACE.
It is completely different than trying to generate good works as a JW. Being led by the spirit of God is definitely addicting, even though it is contrary to the desires of my flesh at times. But you know what? Following the desires of my flesh never really got me anywhere, they dominated me. It never gave me lasting peace, just cheap temporary thrills that required a heavier dose the next time, and the next time, and the next time.
Here's a partial list of what Jesus freed me from:
Fear,
Lust,
Anger,
Drugs and alcohol
Did it feel good to get free of all those things.... not at all and quite the opposite. But, now once free.... it feels great. Im moving forward now, no longer stuck.
I think Gromit SK may have been referring to the Bible/Christianity " fitting" more as convincing truth, than "fitting" as acomfortable religion that one chooses.
I may be wrong.
I have left all"belief", belief in the sense of trusting that something is true without satisfactory proof.
Here's a partial list of what leaving all belief freed me from:
Fear,
Lust,
Anger,
Drugs and alcohol
Did it feel good to get free of all those things.... not at all and quite the opposite. But, now once free.... it feels great. I'm moving forward now, no longer stuck.
Sorry Perry to sound sarcastic, I am not taking the piss, the above is true of me, but I wish to show that being a Christian, or holding any religious belief , or not holding such, does not make you a moral person wanting to lead a good, wholesome, fulfilled life.
Those who wish to lead a good life can choose to do so, regardless of belief or lack of it.
If one wishes to seek guidance on moral matters so as to lead a good life, a life well lived, in the 21st Century, , then the Bible is woefully out of date, as I said, two thousand years or more. Its moral standards are way too low.
Those who wish to lead a good life can choose to do so, regardless of belief or lack of it.
Well, I personally tried just about everything...read dozens of books, therapy, you name it. Nothing worked but Christ for me.
Now, if there is no judgment after death, then there is no downside for you to trust in your own righteousness. But if you are actually put on trial to test your own righteousness and guilt, then be prepared for that kind of scrutiny. Keep in mind that the law is not concerned with all the things you got right, its used primarily to determine guilt.
The LIE-ble never was any good. What righteous government would make homosexuality a crime for which you could die, yet condones slavery and killing innocent people simply because they are not of your own religion? Going and invading occupied territory and murdering everyone that was there simply because they did not believe in your god, and then destroying their property is not exactly my idea of righteous. Yet they were ordered, not merely permitted, to do this.
Love your neighbor as yourself. Leviticus 19:18
If I am put on trial by a loving God I have nothing to fear Perry.
That is just nonsense though, there is no proof for god or an afterlife. I refuse to lead my life based on a load of fiction made up by men, to me that is not a life well lived.
It is a life spent in a state of severe delusion.
