Do You Think It Possible That A Member Of Governing Body Would Ever Commit Suicide Because Of The Pain From Cognitive Dissonance?

by frankiespeakin 37 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    Apognophos - "They would give it up only if they lost their special status. Say, if a combination of the removal of tax-exemption from the Society and other factors caused a financial dissolution, and/or they lost most of their followers due to doctrinal upheaval."

    It's been pretty heavily documented that doctrine is rarely a significant factor in an ex-fundy's decision to leave. Financial dissolusion, though? Maybe; it's happened to Wall Street traders who lost everything in a stock crash.

    Apognophos - "Alternately, a persecution situation (even if not part of a broad UN move against religion, but targeting only them, and even if they brought it upon themselves through Rutherfordian rabble-rousing) that leads to a literal Hitler-in-the-bunker situation could mayyyybe prompt them to shuffle off their mortal coil a little sooner to join the bride in heaven."

    Again, (like you said) maybe.

    According to Fred Franz' eschatology, the "Wild Beast" is supposed to attack the WTS after it destroys "Babylon the Great" (not before), but that could arguably be retconned as "New Light" (although it might give pause amongst some of the more prophecy-inclined rank-and-filers).

    And at this point, they don't really need to engage in Rutherfordian rabble-rousing (I love that; say it real fast five times) to provoke the larger world around them; the rising tide of pedo lawsuits might just be enough to make that happen regardless. The justice system has been known to make an object lesson from time to time, and the WTS is a very convenient candidate, since they have no influential friends in high places (in the real world, anyway), they're relatively small and a legal spanking wouldn't negatively impact the larger socio-political environment around them, and they're kind of unpopular already anyway, so no one would really feel much sympathy for them.

    Assuming something like that actually happens and things really do go south, and they do decide to bunker down in the new Warwick HQ with a dutiful staff of 1000-odd loyalists (IMO, the mentality is already present), I can see some of the less rational ones advocating some kind of "liquidate-all-the-property-cut-the-congos-loose-bolt-the-doors-and-bunker-down" course of action; maybe even literally (instructions, I might add, that would definately seem "impractical from a human standpoint"); perhaps even to the degree of convincing themselves that the Great Tribulation has actually arrived.

    After all, virtually every scrap of insider info we have indicates that they're full-on True Believers, and a strong argument could be made that the internal structure of the GB has already reached the point where no one on it can really challenge WT policy anymore, anyway; by now, they're already fully committed, and the rudder's way too rusted up to make tight turns.

    Of course, when the days turn to weeks, and the weeks turn to months, and the World still stubbornly refuses to End, and they start feeling more and more marginilized, and dissent begins to manifest itself even amongst the loyalists, and quiet desperation begins to set in, the Kool-Aid option would definately start to look more and more appealling.

    I could be wrong.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos
    It's been pretty heavily documented that doctrine is rarely a significant factor in an ex-fundy's decision to leave.

    I agree. It sounded far-fetched even as I was typing it. Financial ruin or legislative interference ("to protect the children") is more likely.

    The justice system has been known to make an object lesson from time to time, and the WTS is a very convenient candidate

    Yes, good point. Not many people will come to the defense of the Society.

    the Kool-Aid option would definately start to look more and more appealling.

    Well, I think it's more in line with WT doctrine that the GB would decide to do themselves in, because they're anointed and will expect to be taken to heaven in the twinkling of an eye. Which is not to say that I think this outcome is likely, just that it's less unlikely than their asking all of headquarters to drink the Kool-Aid with them.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    Apognophos - "Yes, good point. Not many people will come to the defense of the Society."

    Myabe other authoritarian churches with skeletons in their closet, i.e. a vested interest?

    Apognophos - "...it's less unlikely than their asking all of headquarters to drink the Kool-Aid with them."

    Oh, totally; 1000+ people (even WT loyalists) offing themselves at the desperate whim of eight old guys is pretty iffy...

    ...that kind of thing would be a GB-exclusive, and that's what I meant.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    My idea was that as the Corporation gets hit with mega bucks lawsuits after Conti gets a clear win, and they try even more desparate measures to keep the cash comming in there comes a sort of tipping point where everything starts to go wrong, in other words the nighmare stage of wishful thinking has been reached and the delusion falls apart, at that time some on the GB might actually look at suicide as a more favorable option.

    This current set of GB members have been handed a fucked up situation especially since the Internet. They got a bad rep all over the internet comunity, and they are dumb as rocks because of years of intensive indoctrination to the point that they don't want anybody getting a good education but they will make an exception for when they need volunteers with specific skills. They are steeped in Black and white thinking a major cause of depression, they are definately Narcisisstic, Xenophobic, and I'm sure easily enraged. All this spells disaster for which they are headed.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Why do people ask, and better yet, why do people bother to answer hypothetical questions?

    That's what I'd like to know.

    Farkel

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    Farkel - "Why do people ask, and better yet, why do people bother to answer hypothetical questions?"

    It's fun.

    And, IMO, relevent.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Don't keep us in suspence and tell us the answer Fark.

    But on second thought I might give it a stab:

    Why do people ask, and better yet, why do people bother to answer hypothetical questions?

    Kind of a thinking tool is why I use it. This WT Corporation and its CEOs got a little under my skin so to speak and I toss out ideas for imput,

    and perhaps I get a certain,, i don't know 'joy'? maybe over anticipating their demise.

    Vid,

    I was kind of taking his question as an introductory and rhetorical? I could be wrong?

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Vid,

    It's fun.
    And, IMO, relevent.

    I agree, a form of recreation that calls for different points of view to consider, and perhaps enlighten battle strategy with the different view points expressed. I know sometimes it can be like straining a gnat and swallowing a camel.

  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon

    You don't get appointed to the GB by being spiritual and having a good heart.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    No, but we can wish!

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