Every time I talk to my mom, she sounds like she is sick or dead tired, she acts so sad...

by Comatose 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • JakeM2012
    JakeM2012

    Comatose, I can personally appreciate your struggle and feelings.

    My family is similarly disfunctional. I'm not disfellowshipped nor disassociated; it's not even clear if my family knows that I'm inactive because of the distance and lack of communication. However, my life is peaceful without any family contact.

    I've tried to contact my mother at least once a year. The last time I talked with her she didn't seem to care that I called, nor did she volunteer any information about her life. This last year I had an accident that left me in the hospital for 5 days in ICU, and I've yet to go back to work. I've tried calling and leaving messages to let her know of my brush with death, but I'll not grovel.

    I've wondered about why "we" still care about people that lack a natural love, and all I've come up with is they have had their soul vacuumed out by WTBTS and "we" haven't.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Comatose, the last time I visited my mother (keep in mind it had been ten years since my last visit), she took me through the family album and listed off everyone's failings (i.e. "Your cousin married that Mulatto. They are sterile of course.") Depressing doesn't even begin to describe it. I limit my visits and keep things light and impersonal. She likes Hallmark cards.

    I literally had to go through a personal ritual to "bury" the mother I wished I had. In a sad way, it set me free.

    Is there any way you can steer your mother away from that creepy talk? As in, "Mom! That is so inappropriate! I'm not dead yet!" Point out the bad behavior. Get indignant. Be real.

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    Sorry Jake. It is twisted and unnatural. The cult loves you and needs and wants you. Leave the cult and you are not normal any longer.

    I got a text the other day from someone who saw me at a grocery store parking lot. I didn't see them so I didn't say hi or wave.

    The text says: "Hey I saw you in the parking lot of ______. Just one quick question. Are yall ever coming back to the meetings?"

    Really??? No hello or how are you or how has the summer been. Just meetings. Weird.

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    jgnat I kind of did but not bold enough in thinking back. I said, boy mom I think I need to go home and eat healthy tonight.

    I should have said something more like what you suggest. I am going to do so next time.

  • clarity
    clarity

    I'm with cofty on this .... I am out for 3yrs now and

    wish that I had never fooled around with trying to be nice!

    Never for a minute let them see my complete collapse of 'faith'!

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    By waiting, for their sakes, it hasn't helped, but only weakend my position!

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    I'm not a therapist by any means, but this is my take on it!

    clarity

  • clarity
    clarity

    Btw ...Jake sweety, sorry {{}}

    clarity

  • adamah
    adamah

    JWs, being the Bible literalists that they are, have not failed to pick up on an important aspect running throughout most of Jesus' teaching: Jesus predicted separation and discord within one's own family, even within his OWN. Heck, he snubbed HIS family, without their doing anything on record to warrant being shunned, but merely trying to protect him from his own delusions.

    Matthew 10:34-39

    Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

    LUKE 11:27-28

    27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” 28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

    LUKE 18:28, where Jesus says to sacrifice ALL earthly possessions and leave one's own family to put God and Kingdom interests first:

    28 Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!” 29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

    Luke 14:26 The Cost of Being a Disciple

    25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. 27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 9:59-62

    The Cost of Following Jesus

    57 As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.” 58 Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.” 59 He said to another man, “Follow me.” But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” 60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

    61 Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.” 62 Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”

    Mark 3:20 shows his family saw he was disturbed seeing him going off the deep end with his Messiah Complex and turning into a Jesus Freak, and they knew what he was toying with dangerous seditious talk and tried to intervene for his own well-being (i.e. Jesus was claiming to be "the Messiah", which obviously Jesus later was cruxified for, by the Romans):

    20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family b heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”

    Jesus disowning his own family in the same incident, recorded in Matthew 12:46-50

    46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” 48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

    In one Apocryphical narrative, Jesus on the cross saw Mary and her sons had arrived, and shouted, "Take your sons and go away!"

    One might get the distinct impression as if Jesus were advocating that uncompromising commitment to religion could possibly lead to breaking family ties, where one's salvation of one's soul was more important than anything? He knew the story of Abraham sacrificng Isaac, Jephthah's vow of his daughter to sacrifice her to God, etc. He knew God came before family. Worse is, Jesus said it with such CONVICTION, almost as much conviction that he stated that the end was near!

    Unfortunately, sometimes people are going to use their religion as an excuse to destroy the only family relationships they'll EVER have, and the sad thing is there's really NOTHING ANYONE can do to help them, if they place the eternal fate of their imaginary soul above their own flesh and blood. People have to learn TTATT for themselves, and the destructive teachings of "WISE" Jesus often serve a convenient excuse for self-centered narcissistic sociopaths who POINT TO HIM as in blame for their inability to love, when they are really have no one ELSE to blame BUT themselves for an inability to show love.

    Adam

  • LoisLane looking for Superman
    LoisLane looking for Superman

    Comatose, Sorry. I hear you. ((((Hugs))))

    JakeM2012 (((Hugs))) from a mom, (me) that wished she had more kids, more family.

    It is my belief that ALL JW's are dysfunctional.

    Russell - Rutherford - Knorr - Franz and now The Crazy 8's.

    If our spiritual "Father's" are dysfunctional, all who listen and obey their twisted thinking, have to be, also.

    Comatose and JakeM2012, your mom's are missing out on quality time with their precious sons. ALL because some jacka$$ Real Estate Corp calling itself a religion, for no tax status freebies, TELL them to.

    I wish things were different.

    Just Lois

    PS I did not know JakeM2012 you had been in an accident and have been laid up. Sorry to hear about the ICU etc. (How are you doing now?) When I see your avitar ... Indiana Jones, I think of all Indy's adventures and how he always lands on his feet, ready for the next stressful encounter, in life. I think of myself, as such a wuss, in comparison. (Yes, I know Indy's fictional lol)

  • Stealth
    Stealth

    I can relate. I am not DF or DA, yet my brother has not spoke to me in years. Two of my grandchildren came into foster care in my home. I talk some with my JW father and tell him that theses children my come up for adoption... He then repeats this to my brother.

    I receive a call from my brother after 10 years of shunning me, he does not bother to ask how I or my family have been, but instead goes right into 20 questions about MY grandchildren.

    is there anything wrong with them?

    Did the mother do any drugs?

    Do the parents have any mental issues?

    Was there any complications with the pregnancy?

    At this point I became so mad I hung up on him, I called my father to ask him why my brother was calling me and asking these questions.

    Turns out they were gossiping about it and my father proceeds to tell me that he wanted to take MY grandchildren so the could be raised in "the truth".

    The WT sucks the humanity out of members for anyone not in the cult. And they say we are mentally deaseased. Sheesh!

  • steve2
    steve2

    It's a hell of a way to live your life struggling with your JW parents' depressing behavior. Depression is kind of contagious: It is hard to be in the company of depressed people and not have it rub off. Jgnat suggested reducing the frequency of your own calls to them - an excellent remedy!

    In short, get off the phone and actively into your own life. Sounds like this might be an important phase in your life - making your own way without feeling overly caught up in - and perhaps in some small way - responsibile for - your parents' behavior.

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