So are Republicans now openly terrorists?

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  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    The WWII memorial is administered by the National Park Service. As are most? all? memorials. Do you know how much security is involved in these memorials these days??? The entire National Mall is one big metal detector. That takes manpower.

    I don't give a damn what the Murdoch Washington Examiner has to say. If I felt like spending more than a minute on the story, I don't doubt I could debunk damn near the whole thing.

    Speaking of debunking, Avik Roy was a Romney advisor, and his stuff has been debunked here for years. Burn the Ships often referenced it.

    If all this information is so legit, why not use credible sources?

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    OMG, Obama is funding the Museum of Muslim Culture out of his own pocket to keep IT open!!

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    Glen Beck wasn't the only media carrying it - there were others including some entertainment channels

    So far only The Blaze, the Washington Examiner and TMZ have seen fit to spin this non-story.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Big pharma are not a government created monopoly...they are a market created monopoly!

    I'm going to start a separate thread about patent, copyright, and open data.

    So, why don't you believe that inelastic demand puts a gun to our head?

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard

    jgnat,

    You wrote:

    Here's another idea to reduce the cost of pharmaceuticals.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_pogge_medicine_for_the_99_percent.html

    http://healthimpactfund.org/

    This speaker explains how the market system results in higher costs. Right now pharmaceutical companies waste a lot of money on marketing, patent registration, defending themselves against generics, and suing each other.

    Boy oh boy, you certainly have a lot of videos to watch. I watched them both. The first one hit on something I agree with - the patent wars, so-to-speak. Thomas Pogge references the vast sums of money spent each year on pharma companies suing each other, spurred on by the various patents each owns company owns.

    Also, I wrote my last post in a hurry. I should have waited, but I made the decision to hit Submit and then I ran out the door. When I said "the patent pool is fine", I wanted to add that they would work much better under the total abolition of patents. In fact I would expect to see pools as part of a market response. There have been patent pools in the past, mostly set up voluntarily by the free market as an attempt to get around deadlock created by patent law. They would provide a vehicle for inventors to get paid for thier inventions. But again, that's a market approach. What we need is a market, a true market.

    I also would like to note that so far we have been talking about extreme cases in the healthcare industry (monopolies and patents). Even then, a market seems preferrable. This is not what the ACA is about. It is not just seeking to cover these drugs. It is a general law covering every facit of healthcare. I still do think that it will continue to cause prices to rise until rationing is put in place. These are real concerns, not just some knee-jerk reaction to the "evils" of socialism. For example, you were describing the town of Grande Cache, I believe:

    We have a few doctors, and experiencing our first shortage in years. Wait time (other than emergency) is about a month. We have a hospital but no surgery. People requiring emergency surgery are airlifted out, and expecting mothers have to "book" their deliveries and hope nature lines up with their best-laid plans. Medical care all falls under Alberta Health Services (provincial). All medical care is "free", including the airlifts.

    This amazed me. About a year ago I got pnuemonia. It started out like a really bad cold and so I stayed home from work, looking to wait it out, like I do for any common cold. I remember waking up in the morning and hearing some raspy sounds in my lungs. It was at this point I realized something was wrong, although I had no idea what it might be at that point. I called my doctor and was in within an hour. I had antibiotics within the next 30 minutes, and a chest x-ray within the next 15 min. I was home within a couple hours with all the medication I needed. Two days later, I was on the mend and went back to work. I paid $90 for the doctor office visit. $15 for the x-ray, and $7 for the antibiotics, all of which would rise in price under the ACA (and fall under a market). You might argue: "See, you had an inelastic demand! You needed to go to the doctor, and the doctor could raise the price to whatever she wanted." Well, she could try. But there is another doctor down the road. I could just go there. In fact, I drove past several doctors on my way to my current doctor because I am attached to the cost of my care via a high-deductible plan. I shopped around prior to this incident. Now, if I had an ACA-like bill covering my expenses, I surely wouldn't shop around, and my doctor surely would raise the price further, up and up and up.

    MMM

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    It is a general law covering every facit of healthcare.

    What exactly does this mean?? It is nothing more than health insurance. What is different per healthcare??

    I paid $90 for the doctor office visit. $15 for the x-ray, and $7 for the antibiotics, all of which would rise in price under the ACA (and fall under a market).

    I would have paid far less if anything. Why would any of it rise under ACA?

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard

    Berengaria,

    " What exactly does this mean?? It is nothing more than health insurance. What is different per healthcare??"

    It is mandated insurance, with a bunch of mandates on the insurance company. You don't think its a move toward single payer?

    " I would have paid far less if anything. Why would any of it rise under ACA?"

    I would have paid a lot less too, if we had a free market. The reason I paid for it is because I am connected to the cost through a high-deductible insurance plan. That is, I have to pick up the cost up to my deductible amount. The problem is that over decades, we've moved away from a market in the US. We simply don't have it.

    In short, it will cause the prices from the service providers and drug companies to rise because the consumers are not connected to the cost. I don't blame you for not reading the posts between DogGone and I. They are long and drawn out, but that's the short n' sweet of it. You, Berengaria, may pay less - but the price from the doctor is still being paid by someone else. The doctor has no reason to lower the price of the service.

    MMM

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard

    jgnat,

    Big pharma are not a government created monopoly...they are a market created monopoly!

    I'm going to start a separate thread about patent, copyright, and open data.

    Sounds good. I'll comment on monoplies on your new thread.

    So, why don't you believe that inelastic demand puts a gun to our head?

    I've been detailing it in the posts between DogGone and I. But I don't blame you for not reading them. I was long-winded. When there is consumer choice, competition will drive down the price of any good or service, even if it has inelastic demand - that is a good in which the quantity demanded doesn't depend on price. It is granted that if a product has inelastic demand, it is an upward pressure on prices. BUT ONLY IF it is in the context of a monopoly. Otherwise, consumer choice will undercut that upward pressure and start to lower prices.

    MMM

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    "Every facet of healthcare" is nothing like what we have.

    In reality we have moved further and further from regulations over the last 40 years. More and more like "free market". The closer we get the worse it is for today's consumers (and workers).

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard

    " In reality we have moved further and further from regulations over the last 40 years. More and more like "free market". The closer we get the worse it is for today's consumers (and workers)."

    How have me moved closer to a free market in health care?

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