I did.
So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon 369 Replies latest social current
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Berengaria
I would also like to see some supporting information for Marvin's claims
Things I've learned:
- "Affordable" under the ACA is defined so that what many companies have historically offered employees as a benefit is, by comparison, very generous. The exchanges set up by the Federal government is a place employers can send employees to show how generous previous plans have been. But that was then. Now we have the ACA. Based on "affordable" under the ACA I predict a lot of companies will change the benefit they offer employees so that more of the cost is shifted to the employee and away from the employer.
- Though businesses offering health care insurance must offer dependent coverage, there is no requirement to make this coverage "affordable" by a company offer to cover part of the premium costs. When employees go to the health care exchange they'll get sticker shock at what the premium is going to cost them. Employers can offer very little in the way cost-sharing for dependent coverage and make it less costly than the exchange, which will steer employees back to the company's plan. Bottom line is that employees will be paying a lot more for dependent coverage.
- Based on how the ACA treats smoking and smokers, it will become much, much easier for companies to shift premium costs to employees who are smokers. Smokers better gird up their loins. They're about to meet Mr. Premium in ways they never did before. Alternately, smokers can successfully complete a cessation program. I'm sure that'll work. Right?
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LostGeneration
No, you threw out a passive aggressive ad homenim.
Probably because you were unable/unwilling to address the topic Marvin explained in crystal clear detail.
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Berengaria
I cringe when I see people up in arms about forcing corporations to pay their "fair share", whatever the hell that means. Take an economics class people. Corporations are simply entities made up of people. The corporation doesn't have a brain, its a collective of a dozen or a hundred or a hundred thousand people. Customers in the end pay the taxes 100% of the time, not corporations.
Actually, I am asking how many Economics classes you have taken. You did, after all, admonish the rest of us to do so.
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Glander
...the usual phoney balony from B. trying to sound wise.
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Simon
Here's the simple facts:
The current system was broken, rediculously broken. The USA paid way, way more per capita on healthcare with no better system to show for it and most of that money went on administration, not actual patient-care.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2012/03/01/why-are-u-s-health-care-costs-so-high/
Indeed, for the system as a whole, administrative tasks are extremely costly. According to the Institute of Medicine (IOM), the United States spends $361 billion annually on health care administration 2 — more than twice our total spending on heart disease and three times our spending on cancer. Also according to the IOM, fully half of these expenditures are unnecessary.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1209711
When people did get sick, the system sprang in to action ... to deny whatever it could, to take whatever money and assets they had and to charge as much as it could for pills along the way.
Get over your bullshit politics and faux ideology and wake up - people losing their homes because they get sick is *not* normal and *not* what should happen in a civilised country.
So, even if a monthly premium rises, have your healthcare costs really risen if you get better coverage? Hard to judge ... once you get beyond the fear mongering and FUD there will be some winners and some losers and then some less obvious winners and losers away from the headlines.
It will take time to perfect any new, large system. What is not going to help anyone is trying to repeal reform before it's even had a chance to change anything and trying to shoot the economy in the knee caps as a form of retribution because people thought the umpa-lumpa wouldn't make a good president.
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Berengaria
trying to sound wise.
Well, ok. Certainly not something we could accuse you of.
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Berengaria
It will take time to perfect any new, large system. What is not going to help anyone is trying to repeal reform before it's even had a chance to change anything and trying to shoot the economy in the knee caps as a form of retribution
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jgnat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M
Terrorists? I'm thinking idiots. Let's hope the collective intelligence of the American populace kicks in.
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tootired2care
jgnat - great video, I've seen it before and that guy makes some solid arguments.
