By the pricking of my thumbs....

by Xander 49 Replies latest jw experiences

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  seedy3

  The only time I do rituals any more is when I am in a group, which is seldom now. I find rituals for myself are unnesessary, it is more the concentration of thought and the ability to channel them. I have transfered, an energy over long distances, usually of protection. I had one lady asking me to help her get her Boss to recognize her abilites in her job, she told me the next day she got a promotion.

  Another time I had a friend of mine (she was Chamorro living in North Corolina) that was having a problem that a Sirujana was trying to make her come home and was causing all kinds of havok around her house, she could not stop it. I told her how to do it with a ritual, it still had no effect. So I took it in hand myself and cast a spell (just an intense thought) to limit this sirujana's energies twords this friend of mine. It stopped. A week later I released this limit on the sirujana (I did not tell my friend that I did this), this person messaged me the next day and told me the strange things started all over again. So I reimposed the energy and set it differently, she has not had a problem since, that was 1 1/2 years ago.

  I often cast a spell for improved thoughts, well being and such, they seem very effective.

  My ex-wife had some problems with the Taotaomunas near her house, he he he, I was the first one she turned to for help. I was able to help and stop the problems, but they did start again. I always try to get people to try and resolve their own spiritual problems, but I find many people have troubles doing this. Their thoughts are not directed in a concentrated correctly. Wiccan's call it a cone of energy/power, I call it a tight concentration of energy.

  I find christians do not seem to comprehend the thought energy processes, but a pagan fully understands the prayer process, as in actuallity they are identical the only difference is we do not direct the thoughts to a god (for the most part) we channel our thoughts on our own. Both a prayer and a spell is identical, it is only a thought.

  Ok I'm rambling now LOL

  Seedy
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  Abaddon

  Despite being a hard baked sceptic, I have to confess I find the paranormal fascinating.

  I've yet to be convinced... being of a scientific bent, the old repeatable experiment thang is major requisit for me to actually believe in something.

  The only thing I've found is that Ouija boards are easy to influence, as are pendulums... maybe sincerity is essential. But I also know that by 'influencing' pendulums and Ouija boards, I have seen other people react as though these events are real and paranormal.

  Thus, as many people do, I realise that ideation, the willingness or perhaps ability to accept such things are genuine paranormal manisfestation, or to interpret events using paranormal explainations, has a strong influence over what people believe.

  But that doesn't mean it's all rubbish.

  I become redundant tomorrow, as my company is closing. I think nnows the time to dabble in Wicca and see whether my fuddy-duddy blow hard scientific nature can reconcile with my wish that such things were true.
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  seedy3

  Actually Abaddon, you will find pagans much more scientific then the judeo/christian beliefs.
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  Xander

  I've yet to be convinced... being of a scientific bent, the old repeatable experiment thang is major requisit for me to actually believe in something.

  I don't think I'd go as far as needing a repeatable experiment. After all, presuming we know exactly how to manipulate whatever spirit/energy there is exactly how it needs to be would seem to be a little arrogant. After all, variations as tiny as they may seem to us in the method might have big effects elsewhere...

  I think, though, that at least a very obvious, straightforward cause and effect would be nice. Over perhaps a couple events.

  As mentioned above, I do have some limited experience with some things just outside what can be explained by conventional thought.

  Xander F
  (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)

  A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
  --George Santayana
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  RedhorseWoman

  This is an interesting thread. As a JW, I was constantly feeling guilty for "knowing" things, even though I wasn't doing anything that could be construed as "spiritistic". Things just happened, and I tried to block them out.

  I guess I'm what could be called a Christian pagan. I've been leaning more and more towards paganism, since it seems to be the right fit for me, but I haven't settled on any particular path.

  One of the strangest experiences I've had was several years ago. I had a dream in which I was standing under a large tree that was located on a very barren plain, with mountains in the distance. A dirt road wound past this tree and continued on across the plain into the foothills.

  I saw a person walking down the road toward me, and he stopped to speak to me. It was a brother (Bill R.) from my original KH that I had not seen in over 20 years. I asked him why he was there, and he replied, "I just came to say goodbye". He then turned and walked off down the road towards the mountains.

  The dream puzzled me, but I didn't give it much more thought, even though all of the details were quite vivid. The brother in question was only 41 years old, and as far as I knew, had no health problems.

  Several weeks later, however, I was talking to a friend who was still nominally a Witness, and who had kept in contact with people from our old Hall. She mentioned that Bill R. had died. I asked her when, and she told me that it was two weeks previously.....exactly when I had my dream about him.

  There have been other things that have happened over the years that I've finally learned to accept.....simply because they happen. I don't know why.

  I've gotten some Tarot decks, although I really don't know what to do with them (they are pretty, though), and I fiddled around with Runes, which have been quite helpful in clarifying matters for me on several occasions.
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  Mimilly

  Xander, thanks for starting this thread! I have had many experiences with 'sensing' spirits, or meeting someone I already know, and being given information while I was overseas that couldn't be explained via the judeo/christian doctrines. For a week I was sensing something wrong back home. I was just studying at this point, but tried to shake it from my head nonetheless. It wouldn't go away. I woke up screaming from dreams of my mother in a coffin and finally called her. She said nothing was wrong - but I told her I could 'feel' it.. so she might as well tell me. She had cancer and was going in for surgery. I made immediate arrangements to fly home with my 1yr old daughter to be with her. Mom was skin and bones. I'm happy to say that she survived two breast cancer operations and is still going strong. There was also a time when her and I went on a road trip with my 2 young girls. Mom has severe asthma, and stopped breathing between exits. I got lost tearing into a town (I'd never been to the town before), and all of a sudden screeched the car into a driveway, ran into the house screaming 'I need an ambulance!'. The ambulance was right next door, (no sign or ambulance visable) Her lungs were 3/4 full and the docs said that another 10 minutes she would've been dead. My mom also saw my brother after he died, three times. I'm not superstitious. But I believe there is definitely something to these events.
  To those who left websites to check out - thank you, I definitely will. I enjoy learning.

  sunbeams, moonbeams and everything magical,
  Mimilly
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  Fire Dragon

  I have to catch up...

  Anyway, after reading all the posts by gsx and seedy3, I have to say that I mostly agree with them. I guess some witches will come out of the 'broom closet' afterall. Those that I know will not talk about it unless you also have an ability. Apparently I do. I am currently developing my intuitive visualisation and mental ability.

  I never told anyone when I was growing up, b/c of the JW thing, that I know whether or not something will happen based on whether I can 'see' it or not. I guess you could call it a 'sense'. For example, if plans are made and I can 'see' it happen in my minds eye then 99% of the time it happens. If I can't 'see' it then it doesn't happen. For a while I wondered if the demons were playing with me...I was a dub so what other explanation could there be. As I got older I just resigned myself to know that I had this ability and didn't ever tell anyone.

  I have the ability to sense a presence in a room...especially if it is a troublesome spirit. The 'possessed person' that I mentioned in my earlier post was a troublesome spirit. He came out of nowhere and sat talking with my mother one night while I was at the KH. When I came home the apartment felt different and he suddenly had to leave - as though my presence bothered him. This was the first time I realized I could sense spirits...I had felt it before but couldn't identify the feeling. Anyway, he had convinced my mother to put cigarette burns in her arm (7 of them) and told her that she had to drink blood within 7 days or I would die. My mother told me that my picture had fallen off the wall as soon as he said this. The only way she knew how to protect me was to send me to live with JWs.

  I believe that my mother had strong abilities but had such dark energy that she was forbidden to use them. The witches that I know have seen her picture and describe the feeling they get as a 'black hole' and one said that she got the creeps...I hadn't told them who they were looking at in the picture. It has been said that I have a 'protective spirit' or ghost if you will.

  Enough of my rambling....for now.

  "...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
  I'll be the one providing the fire.
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  rebelledat12

  Hi! I read the Witch's Bible Compleat and a ton of other related material a few years ago, but it wasn't for me. I'm pretty much into the "great spirit" mentality and believe in spirits in everything, much like the Indians. And I believe in Karma and fate too.
  It's the only thing that makes sense to me, as far as the "GOD" thing goes.
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  seedy3

  Although there are those that would scoff at the idea that the mind can channel energy and that levitation, comunication with the spirit realm, out of body expierences, and the like. I would like to address a REAL life quandry to these abilities.

  Have any of you ever heard of the Coral Castle? This place is a mystery of modern day simular to the pyrimids, the statues on Easter island, the man made island in Ponepae, Micronesia and the like.

  The story goes that this little man from eastern Euorpe bulit it, in around the 1920's, with no help. He had no craine no mechanical equipment that in any way could life a 30 ton rock. How did he do it?? Nobody ever really saw him working, some tried to spy on him yet he always seemed to know of their presence, HOW?

  Here is a few links with the story about the place:
  http://www.coralcastle.com/home.asp

  http://members.dencity.com/anand-s/coral.html

  http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/coralcastle.html

  There are a bunch of others as well, let me know what you think.

  Seedy
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  og

  My two cents...

  First of all, good thread! Interesting, reasonable posts, and with an ex-jw link in most posts. With all the flaming going on, it's nice to see a thread doing things right. Also, it makes me wonder if leaving JWs has a statistically significant link to interest in paganism.

  Second, I've had a few interesting experiences: precognitive dreams, visualization that produced exactly the desired result, some accurate premonitions, and some highly useful/accurate tarot card readings (read the cards for myself). Nothing earthshaking, otoh I haven't put that much energy into it, what with being a JW.

  Third, and last for now, I find the problem is not with the event, that is, not with what happens, but with the interpretation of the event. For example, people feel a presence, and decide it is a demon, or a ghost, or an alien, or Xenu... Why not just work with what happened? A presence was felt. Great. Was it useful? Scary? Can it be felt again? You get the idea - don't use the phenomena as proof of whatever you started out believing. In most cases, there is no way to prove anything.

  Fourthly, and really last for now: all non-normal phenomena seems to hover on the edge of proof. There always seems to be just enough evidence to convince those with direct experience, but never enough to convince others. It's weird. Michael Crichton, in his book Travels suggested that such phenomena may be state-dependent, that is, dependent on the state of the experiencers, in much the same way that your experience of food depends on the state of your hunger. Made sense to me, and worth thinking about.