Marriage In The New World

by Cold Steel 55 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Yes, this is a good example of how the earthly-life theology of JWs ties itself in knots. Obviously Jesus was referring to heavenly life after death, and any other attempted explanation is a joke.

    One more point: What about married couples who would survive Armageddon? Do they have to divorce? I actually believed as a child that, yes, this scripture meant that all existing marriages would be annulled in the new system. It was the only logical conclusion I could come to. Why would some people get to be married forever in the new system just because they were alive when Armageddon happened, but all the resurrectees would have to be bachelors forever? Whereas if Jesus was referring to people going to heaven after death, then no one would be getting there without dying in order to become a spirit creature, therefore all would be in the same situation.

  • clearpoison
    clearpoison

    Technically no problem here. Adam was really alone from human point of view before Eve. In paradise there are lots of people around=you are not alone.Two separate issues here one being alone, one getting complement.

    CP

  • jam
    jam

    If I was a believer this would be my line of thinking.

    Marriage today could use some improvements, God could do

    better. Marriage in the New world will need to improve for women.

    The Bible sanctions there is a social curse transmitted to each woman and

    this curse was never rescinded in any human marriage mentioned in the Bible.

    Gen.3;16, "your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over you".LOL

    An example of the wife lowly position in a social matters in biblical times.

    Moses gave Israelitemen the ten commandments and all should keep the

    Sabbath Day, no work to be done by all (Ex 20:10).

    Who is excluded from the list. She was lower then the son, daughter, male or

    female slaves and even stranger cattle.

    In Ezekiel 23; 1-49 God himself married two sisters. He was fed up with the adulteries

    sisters (LOL) and divorce them, (God hates divorce). God soon was remorseful over

    divorcing the two sisters and took them back. Jeremiah 3:14.

    Maybe since we will be still male and female in body and shape (women no more

    monthly dreaded pains) women will no longer be subjected to the slightest

    inferiority to males in the family of God. No type of marriage that now governs

    humans will exist in the resurrection.

    Now this is stretching it a little. Regarding sex and nuptials in the resurrection,

    do not confuse the ability to have sex with marriage ( ok I said this is stretching it)

    as though the two words are synonymous. One can be married and not have

    sex.

    God's marriage to the two sisters, no sex, and then we have the angels

    who had sex without being married.

    So , if I was still a believer that is what I would think. LOL

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Here is my thought:

    Jesus' statements about 'marrying and being given in marriage' occur in the following texts:

    Matthew 22:30; 24:38; Mark 12:25; Luke 17:27; 20:34, 35

    They can be broken down into two catagories:

    1. Descriptions of people who did not heed warnings: Mt 24:38; Luke 17:27

    2. The discussion with the Sadducees involving the resurrection: Mt 22:30; Mk 12:25; Lk 20:34, 35

    In both catagories, Jesus' use of the phrase DOES NOT describe all people who might 'marry of be given in marriage.'

    In the instances involving not heeding divine warnings (Mt 24:38; Lu 17:27), it is describing doing this to the exclusion of more important things. (Timewise, Luke's instance is about 6 weeks or so prior to the instance in Matthew 24:38. The Matthean saying is a pared down version of the Lukan version of the saying. Note also that Noah and his sons and their wives also "married and were given in marriage." Yet they are not included among those that Jesus described.)

    In the instance with the Sadducees (Mt 22:30; Mk 12:25; Lk 20:34, 35 - which is really all the same instance) it is in answer to the hypothetical problem that the Sadducees raised (the seven brothers all married to the same woman), which problem, they felt, made the resurrection an untenable problem. In their view, when all these men were raised, their individual desire for the same woman would create social chaos (multiplied on a world scale). An impossible situation to untangle. Thus, to them, God would never create such an absurd world order.

    But just as in the previous catagory, where Jesus was not referring to everyone that 'marries & gives in marriage,' note Jesus' response:

    (Luke 20:34, 35 NWT) . . .Jesus said to them: “The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.

    According to Jesus' response, the Sadducees are mistaken because they are basing their view of marriage on how it is practiced in "this system of things (or age)." Adam and Eve were 'married and given in marriage' also. But they were not 'children of this system of things.' They were 'children of God,' just as resurrected people will be.

    That allows for Jesus' saying that resurrected ones 'will not marry and be given in marriage,' to be taken to mean that they won't have the same view and practice of it as do "the children of this system of things."

    To be sure, that leaves alot about life after the ressurrection unanswered. But then again, Jesus was responding to critics who had made their minds up that they could prove Jesus was a fool. I doubt that Jesus was interested in giving them such details beyond proving their assumptions false.

    As possible indications that the solution to the problem you raised might be somewhat beyond out present imperfect ability to fully comprehend, consider these things:

    Adam (according to Genesis) is not described as getting depressed when he noticed that he did not have a mate. According to the account, Adam merely notices the incongruity of his situation vis-a-vis the animals. It is God who says he shouldn't continue alone. And after being united with Eve, Adam is only described as having relations with her after some time passed. (Compare what would be the normally expected response of a man in his prime spending all his time with a 'perfectly' beautiful woman who stayed naked.) Admittedly, some of this point consists of an 'argument from silence.'

    Jesus, perfect like Adam, also seemed (based on the gospel accounts) to be perfctly content without a mate. And yet perfectly able to have a mate if he so chose. His choice was simply that his 'mission' did not require it.

    Compare also Jesus' response to the disciples' idea of staying unmarried:

    (Matthew 19:10, 11 NWT) . . .The disciples said to him: “If such is the situation of a man with his wife (i. e. the limited availability of divorce according to Jesus in Mt 19:9), it is not advisable to marry.” 11 [Jesus] said to them: “Not all men make room for the saying (i.e. to stay unmarried), but only those who have the gift.

    The NWT (and some other translations) mangle the last phrase of verse 11. "Who have the gift" is more literally, "to whom it has been granted (or given)" The passive tense of the verb ("has been granted") is usually taken as being a 'divine passive.' In essence, Jesus is saying that, a man who chooses (of his own will) to not marry has in some way gotten that ability by means of divine grant.

    Similarly, part of Jesus response to the Sadducees' problem was that they "did not know the power of God."

    At any rate, you asked for viewpoints. That is mine. Subject, of course, to any new infomation I can find. It doesn't directly answer your question. But it does, to me, open alot more possibilities about what may happen after the resurrection.

    Take Care

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    According to JW's Adam and Eve won't be resurrected. I thought you knew the JW cult theology as well as your own cult stupidity.

  • blondie
    blondie

    The WTS no longer teaches that Adam and Eve will be resurrected, they are in Gehenna, eternally dead.

    People who are resurrected to heaven or on earth (per the WTS) will not be reunited in marriage with their marriage mate or mates (people do remarry). nor will they marry at all (per the WTS).

    These are both current teachings; in the past, Russell's time, believed that Adam and Eve would be resurrected to live on earth.

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    Splash, who told you that Adam and Eve don't get a resurrection?

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Honesty it has been a JW teaching for as long as I can remember - and that goes back to the late 60's.

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w01 7/1 p. 7 par. 2 Rejoice in the Knowledge of Jehovah ***

    Jehovah gave Adam and Eve life, dominion over the animals, and authority over the entire earth. There was but one prohibition—they were not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Influenced by Satan, Adam and Eve disobeyed God’s command. (Genesis 2:16, 17; 3:1-6) They chose to act independently, deciding for themselves what was right and what was wrong. In so doing, they foolishly cut themselves off from the guidance of their loving Creator. The consequences were disastrous for them and for their unborn offspring. Adam and Eve grew old and eventually died with no hope of a resurrection. Their descendants inherited sin and its consequence, death.—Romans 5:12.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Adam

    Resurrected
    "The death of Christ secures for Adam and all of his race one full opportunity for salvation and no more. The majority have died in heathenish darkness without any opportunity; and many in Christian lands have disregarded their opportunity, as did the people of Capernaum. All must be brought to a full knowledge of their privileges in Christ and then all rejecters will be destroyed." Watchtower 1920 Oct 15 p.316
    "Just when Adam will be awakened, only the Lord knows. It may be early or it may be late during the period of restoration." Reconciliation (1928) pp.323, 324 - Rutherford
    "There is no promise found in the Scriptures that Adam's redemption and resurrection and salvation will take place at any time. Adam had a fair trial for life and completely failed." Salvation (1939) p.43 - Rutherford
    "Adam and Eve are viewed as among those who are incorrigible sinners who "proved that they were not worthy of life, and they will not be resurrected."" From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained p.236

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