How I recently handled JWs at my door (page 18)

KateWild

Hi everyone,

I have read 1Cor Ch14 again, jgnats link, CG's post, and Tammy's post. The most satisfying, was Tammy's post. I agree Jesus treated women like intelligent people and like beautiful flowers. The woman with the flow of blood was made to feel, dirty and unclean by the law. But with his words, Jesus said your faith has made you well, go in peace daughter, this gave her, her dignity and beauty back. Christ elevated her back to where she should have been.

1Cor ch14, to me is about how Paul wanted the talking of tongues to be productive during worship. He wanted them to be understood by listeners, and to be translated if required, to be upbuilding and to be spoken in turn. But verse 35 expressly forbids women talking, and goes on to generalise that all women have husbands. Basically imo treating unmarraried women as if they didn't even exist in the Corinthian congregation. To me those words contradict his message to be upbuilding. How any woman in his day reading his letter would be up-built by it is beyond me.

At least in his letter to the Ephesians Paul wrote about how wives should be treated by their husbands. I also agree with Tammy that a loving kind God did not write this.

So in conclusion I don't believe the whole Bible is actually God's word. I still believe God is a very intelligent creator and created all living things.

I am a woman, and I have an opinion that matters. Thank you all those who thought that my opinion matters enough to read it-Kate xx

Christian guy

Besty,

You asked me, "what religion would you have been had you been born in afghanistan? you see what i'm saying right?"

No, not really. The answer seems obvious. I would probably be a Moslem. But what is your point?

Maybe you are saying I only believe as I now do because I was born in a largely Christian nation. Well, I admit that fact certainly helped me find the faith I now have. But again, I don't see what you are getting at.

Maybe you are saying that it is highly unlikely that my belief system is valid since it is only held by about one third of the people in the world. Or that the claims of Christians cannot be true since two thirds of people do not accept them.

I'm sorry. I don't get what you mean. I guess you will have to tell me.

bohm

Christian guy:

the moon is rotating at a rate of 400 km per earth day" compared to the Earth which rotates at 40,000 km per day, "precisely 100 times more"

In addition, this tell us God did no have SI units in mind when he created the universe ;-).

Is it a coinsidence there is 4 letters in the word "moon"?

or on average 4 letters in the words "sun" and "earth"?

AnnOMaly

I am aware of this. But I don't see how this fact is important. Since I believe God intended for these 400s to be seen by us now, not a million years ago or a million years from now.

Or is it that we just happen to be around now to appreciate repeating number patterns and the (temporary) beauty of total solar eclipses? Besides, I think you already said that the 400s are approximations due to eccentricities of the various orbits. An argument could be made that if God wanted to really blow us away and wow us, He could have made the number correlations exact, all eclipses total (rather than having some annular), the lunar orbit stable and uniform from its creation onward into future millennia.

Edit: the 4000 days is an approximation too. It should be nearer 4017.75 (11 yr sunspot cycle x 365.25 days).

KateWild

if God wanted to really blow us away and wow us-Ann

Yes I agree and he could have put a stop to all suffering, or made sure that there wasn't any in the first place-Kate

bohm

The ratio of the distance between the earth and sun varies form 362.0 to 426.4 due to orbits not being circular. Ofcourse 400 do fall between those ranges...

Christian guy

Bohm,

The words you just took from my post are words that were not written by me. I clearly indentified them as having been written by Knighyt and Butler in their book, Who Built The Moon? I quoted their words only to illustrate the kind of things you can expect to read in their book.

I later clearly stated that, " I believe they did sometimes engage in .... numerical gymnastics. So I am not here enthusiastically endorsing their book. The authors had many pages to fill, and in my opinion they didn't have enough really good material to fill them with."

I would put that passage which I quoted from their book, which you just repeated, into the catagory of 'not really good material.'

jgnat

For KateWild

Lyrics, I am Woman

bohm

Christian Guy: Well, you did quote it...

The point being you can find a great number of things to measure related to the sun and earth. Each of these things can be expressed in a number of units, take for instance the rotation of the earth, it can be expressed as:

radians, degrees, meter, au, miles or orbits / hours, seconds, days or years (lunar or solar).

That give you 42 ways to express just this number, some more sensible than others. Then you have at least 50 such things and you begin to look how to pair them, and on top of that one is willing to accept fairly large errorbars as special, for instance about +/- 20% in the case of the ratio of distance between sun, moon and earth...

Just saying

jgnat

Have you guys heard of the Red Letter Christians?

How I recently handled JWs at my door

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