Atheists know more about the bible!

by Comatose 157 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    Tammy,

    I don't normally chime in these atheist vs theist squabbles but I did want to ask you some questions based on what I had read in this exchange and the following quote from Comatose.

    Tec, that is YOUR truth. Just because you believe it does not make it so. People believe many crazy things. You throw out 90% of the bible and claim 10% is true and about your personal jesus and that your truth is right. Look at yourself and your beliefs from a fresh perspective and from an outsiders perspective.

    It's that 'outsider's perspective' that got me curious. Have you ever encountered an individual who believed in another religion or perhaps another deity and was every bit as confident about his or her beliefs as you are in yours? I kind of get the whole "Christ" thing you're speaking of, especially if this "Christ" thing is referring to a concept or an archtype of good that we personify in Jesus. In a case like that, I could argue (and perhaps this is your perspective) that it does not matter who or what any individual believes in because it all goes back to Christ even if they do not know it.

    I admire you for your faith but I do wonder how you think of people who are every bit as confident in their faith as you are of your own and yet both of you think the other's faith is wrong. Unless, of course, you think of Christ in the way that it appears you are thinking of Him as.

    Peace to you.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    But this thread is about the bible... not about the OT alone. Right? The bible as a whole? So that Cofty's question also has nothing to do with the thread. But I am the one accused of derailing?-Tammy

    My bad Tammy apologies. Cofty was being flippant and it was retorical. It just got me thinking. I have sincere questions about the bible. I sould do a thread of my own

    Kate xx

  • cofty
    cofty

    Why are christians so ill-informed about their beliefs and their sacred book?

    As an ex-JW in a conservative evangelical church I would have to say that the majority of the church had a mediocre bible knowledge at best.

    I think most of them are content to leave it to the pastor to tell then what the bibe means. They have lots of books and pamphlets designed to make them feel good which they seem to confuse with bible study.

    Not much different from JWs actually.

  • unstopableravens
    unstopableravens

    cofty: that much we agree on, the bible knowlegde is lacking in bible believing churches some not all. to many are content to go to church maybe even a bible study but not much else. it is to easy to see what a pastor or someone else says. its sad and embarrsing. almost as bad as my grammer

  • adamah
    adamah

    Tammy, a yes or no answer, please: are there any contradictions to be found in God's word, the Bible?

    YES or NO?

  • Laika
    Laika

    Lots of generalisations going on this thread...

  • MadGiant
    MadGiant

    "I have asked some atheists why they pick as they pick, and discard as they discard. Because they are doing what they accuse ME of doing..."- tec

    Ok, let me try this; let's say that you have a cooking book with a 1,000 recipes. Their is a 10% of those recipes (100), that no matter how you prepared them, what ingredient you use or replace those 100 meals are going to kill anybody how eat it.

    Would you use that book?

    Hope that your answer is no. That's my view of the bible and your god. Maybe is has a few thinks that can be useful. But then, you read the rest. And like that cooking book, I want nothing to do with it.

    “The inspiration of the Bible depends upon the ignorance of the gentleman who reads it.” - Robert G. Ingersoll (1833 – 1899)

  • unstopableravens
    unstopableravens

    i believe if you are going to believe the bible than believe all of it, no buffet lines where you pick what you want to put on ur plate and pass by what you dont like or what doesnt taste good

  • Mr Fool
    Mr Fool

    Tammy, do you believe in Christ? I suppose you will say "yes".

    Do you believe that He exists? If you answer is "yes", you have a big problem with your belief. Right?!! (Because it´s meanless to believe in something you already know, IF you really KNOW)

    But if I ask you this; "Do you KNOW that he exists?" (not 99.99999...% sure, but exactely 100% sure, beyond any doubt)

  • tec
    tec

    Hi Gary! If you want to have an in depth discussion on this I am more than willing; we could have another thread, or even in pm. I will try to quickly answer here too though.

    It's that 'outsider's perspective' that got me curious. Have you ever encountered an individual who believed in another religion or perhaps another deity and was every bit as confident about his or her beliefs as you are in yours?

    I don't know if I can answer that question. I cannot be sure of another person's confidence. I think that I have only ever spoken to people from various denominatinos of christianity... who say that they are just as confident; though there are often words such as I hope, I think, I believe... and not so much I know, because Christ has taught me this.

    As for other religions altogether, I have not personally had an encounter like that. That doesn't mean that there are no such people, of course.

    I kind of get the whole "Christ" thing you're speaking of, especially if this "Christ" thing is referring to a concept or an archtype of good that we personify in Jesus. In a case like that, I could argue (and perhaps this is your perspective) that it does not matter who or what any individual believes in because it all goes back to Christ even if they do not know it.

    No, that is not my perspective. But anyone can act from LOVE... regardless of their particular religion or faith. Some learn that law (of love) so that it becomes written upon their hearts; and some by nature have love written upon their hearts. So that Christ may know THEM, even if they do not know HIM, because they will also act in love to even the least of his brothers; it is their nature.

    I admire you for your faith but I do wonder how you think of people who are every bit as confident in their faith as you are of your own and yet both of you think the other's faith is wrong.

    Outside of faith in Christ... (as in Hindu, Islam, Buddhism, what-have-you)... I don't judge them at all and I am not overly concerned. I understand some of how Islam works into everything, and Israel... and Buddhism... but I have not looked much into Hinduism. I have never been directed to do so (or felt compelled to do so other than a course in world religions, once) But I mean, we can see how the one faith of Christ splintered into tens of thousands of denominations... so it is not that far of a stretch to see how faith in God became divided and spread out into various world religions. But they are not the ones spreading lies or misunderstanding about Christ... that is kind of reserved for religion and men in so-called christian nations ; ) Other than perhpas saying that 'Jesus' is not the Messiah or the Truth, though most acknowledge him as having taught truth and being a prophet or a wise man. I cannot convince people that He is the Messiah... they have to hear that, and be drawn by God. I can only deal with what is true or false about Him. The most I could do is give my witness, and the rest is not up to me. I would not be offended by someone else being just as confident. Nor judge them. Nor disrespect them. I can only do what is set before ME to do.

    Peace to you.

    Thank you Gary, and to you and your loved ones as well, as my Lord gives peace! tammy

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