jgnat:
They started in the 15th century, BC, as a reaction to oppressive Muslim rule.
Muslims. In the 15th century BC. That seems... unlikely.
Is the WTS backing away from "Bible Tall Tales" ?
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Jeffro
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Jeffro
Comatose:
And the spies got to stay with a prostitute. I remember even as a fully in young witness thinking those spies probably saw some action.
Yeah, but there were two spies. So there was never a man and a woman left alone together. What could possibly go wrong?
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jam
Ex-brother-in law, while traveling in the Grand Canyon how can
anyone not believe there wasn't a great flood. This man attended college.
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Old Goat
From Rutherford through Franz "prophetic types" played a significant role in Watchtower theology. Watchtower writers have moved away from seeing every bible event as a prophtic drama. When the commentary on Daniel was written much of that was dropped with the comment that it was historical matter and not prophetic. I rather liked the improbable prophetic applications. They were intertaining.
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Jeffro
jam:
Ex-brother-in law, while traveling in the Grand Canyon how can anyone not believe there wasn't a great flood. This man attended college.
Just a hunch, but I'm guessing he didn't study geology.
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jam
Yes Jeffro, I just shook my head. Where do you begin. Some witnesses are
so far gone, they will never get it. I believe many would go completely nuts
in the process of deprogramming, or learning the truth about the truth.
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braincleaned
The OP is simply logical. When I was a 12 year old — I just knew these were silly impossible stories that made no sense.
Every story had a different paradigm, like Simon points out.
The sheer irony of my parents laughing at the idea of humans descending from apes was mind-blowing to me.
Because, of course, all of humanity suffering from a first naked couple who ate a fruit because they listened to a talking snake was SOOO much more believable!
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Island Man
Want to hear something really ironic, Simon? when I was a young kid I actually thought that bible stories like Samson and Jonah were nothing more than stories used to teach certain lessons. I honestly didn't think they were actual real life historical figures and events that actually happened. They seemed to me to be just as impossible as other non-religious children's stories that I'd heard; and having these stories in the children's My Book of Bible Stories publication only served to reinforce in my mind that they were just stories.
As I got older, however, I realized that the adults at the Kingdom Hall actually believed these stories are real history. Only then did I start to seriously consider them as history. I succumbed to a kind of bandwagon and authority effect. I figured if all these adults believed these stories to be real history then maybe they are, because all these adults who are more knowledgeable than me can't be wrong; surely they're too smart to believe made up stories.
I'm sure I'm not the first kid who initially saw bible stories as just stories but later came to view them as real history because of the sincere belief of adults. Children, in their innocence and humility, see things as they honestly are. But as they grow older, the desire to fit in and other pressures and insecurities can cause them to lie to themselves and adopt a dishonest world-view.
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prologos
and this week's bible reading at the Hall, God rested "--- from ALL his work--" Hebr. 4:4, only 6000 years agao?
The universe seems to be on auto-pilot for longer than that.
Wt has no time for details like that.
it is about thought control, money control, survival.
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adamah
Prologos said-
and this week's bible reading at the Hall, God rested "--- from ALL his work--" Hebr. 4:4, only 6000 years ago? The universe seems to be on auto-pilot for longer than that.
Soooo, that's MY question: where are we on God's daily calendar? Is the present time still God's sabbath day (Saturday, per modern Jews), or is this the day AFTER the Sabbath (Sunday)?
If so, did God put all life on the Earth "on hold" (in suspended animation) for 6,000 yrs until his day of rest was over?
Heck, if not, then even picking the fruit off the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad would be considered "work", a violation of Sabbath under later Mosaic law. Is that why Eve's violation was a sin: she was violating the Sabbath? Of course, EVERY OTHER human would be committing a sin of violating God's day of rest, too.
You'd think it would be a simple question to answer, but there's a similar HUGE disconnect between the various gospel accounts over which day of the week Jesus died:
http://www.4forums.com/political/religion-debates/7812-what-day-jesus-crucified-contradiction.html
The reason is one author wanted to push a certain message of Jesus serving in the role of the paschal (passover) lamb, which required his death on the day of preparation, NOT on the Sabbath; the other didn't share the same concerns and wanted to push another theological agenda. NT scholar Bart Ehrman goes over it in his book ("Misquoting Jesus", or maybe it was "Forged"?).
Point being, the Bible cannot even keep track of it's own schtick: anyone can see the many absurd logical contradictions contained therein, since ancient people 'weren't the sharpest tools in the shed' (and if they WERE, it didn't matter, for they'd be killed as heretics if they figured it out).
Adam