train up a child...with a squeegee...

by wheelwithinwheel 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    My ex and I homeschool our daughter. It seems better in most ways, including socialization. After all, kids don't grow up with a need to learn how to socialize with kids (they come by that pretty naturally, even my way-shy daughter), they need to learn how to socialize and interact with adults.

    I, on the other hand, was a very shy witness kid who went to public school. Without a push from parents to get involved with school activities (something I certainly did not get from my witness parents), public school can have lots of places for a shy person to hide, as it were. I think it can do the opposite of "socialize", or IOW, socialize in the wrong way.

    As for the kid window washing, I certainly hope he is getting a good academic education (and gets to go to college) as well, but a kid learning to work in this day and age is priceless. Most kids getting out of high school are just worthless, they simply haven't a clue how to work, nor do they want to.

  • simplesally
    simplesally

    Many young ones and some adults, unfortunately, think people *owe* them something. I think that children helping out around the house or learning a good work ethic from one's parents is a good thing.

    My gramps was always tootle-ing around with something and let us help restore or paint something. My mom taught us around the house and my dad never called in sick unless he really was.

    I've had a job since I was 15 and sometimes had 2 at a time. I've worked 18 hours on 2 jobs for a good while to make ends meet, I did what I had to do in order to do it on my own, not asking for money from my parents. Now, I have a good work ethic, I make good money and have been a responsible, stable earner for my whole life. Fortunately for me, I learned sales and was able to work hard but get paid for it.

    Too many parents teach their children to eat from the bread of laziness. Once they learn the easy road, they never take the more difficult but rewarding one.

  • LizardSnot
    LizardSnot

    So much for that little guys childhood

  • bitter mango
    bitter mango
    So much for that little guys childhood

    lizzy , i hope you aren't referring to the 8 year old in wheel's post! what are you basing that comment on? because he went to work with his dad? because he wasn't in school? you guys don't know the circumstance! i really don't see the big deal. tell me, please.

    when you blow out like a dead star it reminds me how uniform your beautiful is

  • SumnerSloan
    SumnerSloan

    The computer I’m writing this on was built by my homeschooled kid.

    As to the 8 year old boy out working with his dad at 10:30 in the morning instead of being at home, schooling – That’s just one of the Perks of homeschooling! As long as the material gets covered, and the kid is “getting it” – what difference does it make whether he/she starts at 7 or 8 in the morning or at noon! The kid gets his lessons one-on-one instead of having the teacher distracted by 30 other students, so it does take less time to learn the material. And if it’s a gorgeous day, you can just drop everything and get out there and enjoy it – what’s the big deal if they hit the books a little later that day!

    Like so many things in life, it’s a trade-off. But for everything they give up, there’s something gained as well. And as to the big “S” word (Socialization) - it can be done through numerous other sources – Little League, volunteer work, neighborhood kids, clubs, camps, specialized classes (i.e., art, music, dancing, etc.) But it can be a great bonding experience.

    It is true – some people have no business home schooling – EVER! If they can’t give it the priority and time it deserves, or if they just are not capable “teachers” – they shouldn’t be doing it. And if they can’t be totally committed (because if you’re doing it right – believe me, it’s exhausting!!!), they shouldn’t do it. But it has turned out a lot of bright, happy kids, well-adjusted kids – just as many schools do. And it has turned out some not-so-well adjusted kids – just as many schools do.

    It’s just another choice; it shouldn’t be pigeon-holed. We of ALL people should know NEVER to close our minds to new ideas, or to make quick or arbitrary judgments. There are endless choices out there – and MANY of them are right choices!

    SS

  • wheelwithinwheel
    wheelwithinwheel

    Glad to hear some real life stories proving home-schooling can work, but I ask myself, would anyone be worse off if they had been subjected to the school system.

    Our C.O organized servant visits to family studies. All I can say is it made me question h-s (and must I remind the reader, everyone was on best behaviour).

    Many mention the social aspect of the question and I agree. I think it’s especially important to interact with other kids and different teachers.

    SumnerSloan says “(Socialization) - it can be done through numerous other sources – Little League, volunteer work, neighborhood kids, clubs, camps, specialized classes (i.e., art, music, dancing, etc.)” ARE WE TALKING ABOUT J.W’S HERE?

    I also happen to believe a bit of peer competition doesn’t hurt anyone. What worries me even more about JW’s opting for h-s is that I’m sure it would heighten the closed, judgemental view they have about anyone not in their faith. I believe it would also make it a lot easier to pass on the belief that the WT society is the ultimate authority on all subjects. Not that this isn’t the case anyway. But having a few hours a day away from the JW environment can help to open up the mind.

    My mother confided to me just the other night that she believes she failed us kids because we didn’t read the Bible together enough. The Sunday meeting had apparently stressed this point to parents. I guess in her view a few chapters a day at the supper table wasn’t enough. We were brought up to remember we were different (i.e. better than the worldly kids). We were not allowed worldly friends at school, no extra-curricular activities, no sports. One time I was asked to participate in a play, but when the teacher mentioned the play would be on a meeting night, my parents pulled me out. The final and all-knowing authority on all subjects was the Watchtower and Awake! Years of this conditioning has me, even today, marvelling at how it is possible for a worldly person to be so kind or so honest. I’m also surprised by how many good people there actually are out there (in the world). We were sheltered and taught a one-sided story and I think it would have been worse for us if we had been h-s’d.

    Make no mistake, my parents are very good people. Unfortunately, they are also obedient and submissive pawns in a controlling organisation.

    As to the dad teaching junior some values, I’m all for it. My dad taught me a lot. However I think this dad has greater plans for junior’s future and that’s what worries me. Window-washing is O.K till Armageddon. You can make a lot of money, have flexible hours and you don’t have to hang with the worldlies. But it isn’t exactly a career move. Lately a local window-washer got cancer. This last winter I saw his wife, on top of a snow-bank, trying to do his run. A pensioned brother and sister were doing their best to help her wet down the windows. I still see local kids, quitting school, going pioneering and working for elders, doing cleaning. After a year or two they quit pioneering, get married, have a few kids, clean at night and sleep a good part of the day...still work for the elders. Anyway, I let you know how junior’s situation is in a few years.

  • Pierced Angel
    Pierced Angel

    My daughter just returned to school after 5 years of homeschooling and she's already made several close friends, is Miss Popularity because of her self confident, friendly personality and just made the Pom Pon Squad (couldn't do that as a JW!).
    I almost went nutz trying to stay balanced those last two years because I wanted the BEST education possible and I wanted her to have fun and meet other kids. So I shuffled her around a lot to make up for the lack of socializing found at school. It paid off for her and she's happy she had the years to travel, spend hours on art projects she wanted todo and so forth. She was the perfect candidate, some kids need school.
    It takes a lot of effort on the parents part to do it right and there are some that don't do their kids right by it.
    I'm sorry for those kids, but they aren't any worse off than the schooled kids whose parents rarely see them or even know what they're learning at school. The kids that have to go to school without decent clothes, crappy teachers or can't celebrate holidays and all that, well, they can end up pretty screwed up as this forum has shown us at times, LOL

    The best way to know if it's a good thing or not is by the child's happiness, personality and goals. It's been my experience that a lot of homeschooled kids(ones that are doing it right anyway) are more articulate, polite and have more independence and drive than public schooled kids.

    Is it right? Depends on the family and the reasons. Nobody should judge. Just be thankful we have the right to choose.

    Anne

  • SumnerSloan
    SumnerSloan

    JWs in general DO NOT "approve" of homeschooling (and have no hesitation in telling you that, whether you asked their opinion on how you raise you kids or not)! One is definitely considered somewhat of an oddball in the cong. if he homeschools.

    BTW: Our choice to do it had nothing to do with bad association or anything like that. Our kids were in a great school dist. There are tons of diverse reasons people choose to do it, and, yes, wheelwithinwheel: The socialization thing IS much harder when you're "in the Truth."

  • 144thousand_and_one
    144thousand_and_one

    I wonder if anyone has any statistics on the performance of home schooled students on the SAT exam as well as the percentage of such students who were accepted and matriculated at reputable universities.

  • Valis
    Valis

    homeschool destroyed my brother. target was right about some parents believing the child will somehow do the work by themselves. ha! Try leaving a 14 or 16 year old at home by themselves. Talk about idle hands....Even though I didn't get the homeschool, I had the pelasure of spending many hours in the early morning helping my dad deliver newspapers, then went to school, then had to go to meeting, then study, or maybe do homework. By the 6th grade I knew full well what work=pay was all about and I told my dad I wouldn't help him anymore unless he paid me. He got real mad, but I stood my ground. No more paper route for Travis. We won't even talk about my mom and her Tupperware business....ugh!

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

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