hi it's katie- i miss you guys

by airwlk149 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • JuliG
    JuliG

    Hi Katie, just a few thoughts-
    At your age, it's natural t be dissatisfied with who you are, what you are doing with your life, etc. Many young women get to the crossroads that you are standing in right now, and panic and get married and opt out of a life where they are at the helm, making the decisions. In your fantasy life, all you have to do is what everybody, from your parents to the cong to your fantasygorgeous husband TELL you to do. This might seem like "security" now, but as you grow older you would see how often that sort of life is stifling.

    The thing to remember is that it is NORMAL not to know what you want out of life, and to regret the "road not taken". I wish I could tell you how many rewards and how much satisfaction lies ahead for you if you can just persevere. Have you thought about going to a local college, finding what your true passions in life are? Its hard work - a lot harder than being the KH Princess - because it requires that you venture out into unfamiliar territory. I was a lot like you in my late teens. If I had acted on the decisions that looked so tempting at that time I can't imagine what my life would be, other than miserable, because I was into my early 20's before I found my passion, and even older before I found the TRUE love of my life.

    DOn't be afraid of failure - a lot of times it teaches us much more about ourselves than our successes. And I hope that you don't try to build your life on a foundation of people with such conditional love. All of it could be wiped away if something happened and you were DF'd for some reason. But you already know that.

    Build your life on YOU, and no one can take that away.

    Hope this didn't sound too preachy, but I DO know where you are coming from. It will be OK. Just hang in there. I'm sure life has some really great things in store for you!!

  • AjaxMan
    AjaxMan

    Hi Katie, this is AjaxMan here.

    While I was never a JW, one thing I can tell you from my perspective as a worldly is that "Life is never easy". You always have to work hard for happiness and it always occur when you keep on trying and persisting.

    I know that you grew up as a jw. All your life, you were dictated. You were trained to have a certain mindset different from us, worldlies. It is not something that you can change overnight. However, it seems to me that the JW mentality is setting you in. You are finding out that the real world is not easy, but you know, in the real world, you have more freedoms than being part of a high control group. Let me tell you, it's not gonna be easy, but in the end, it will be worth it.

    You said that you are 18 years old. Girl, you still have a long life and a great future ahead of you. How about seeking a career or go to college? Believe me, as you age, you will change your viewpoints and perspective about life: The way you think when you're 22 yrs old will be different from the way thought at 18. There is still plenty of time before you get married and have kids.

    I don't like and I don't mean to patronize you.

    I am aware that you miss your friends and family. However, for there to be love from their part, they have to accept you for WHO you are, not for WHAT they want you to be.

    If you are reading this, you can reply me with your feedback.

    hugs and lots of love,

    Ajax

  • invisible
    invisible

    Hi Katie, Celtic here.

    Upon leaving many of our lives are thrown into a highly chaotic state, like stepping out into the unknown, the natural thing our mind does is to either quickly relate to a 'comfort zone' or it reaches out towards a higher sense of order. The feelings you are experiencing are normal after being in the 'trooth' for as long as you were.

    Maybe you have an entrepreneurial mind at work, inside your inner potential, maybe an actress or theatre, maybe some other field where your light might shine with brightness? No good hiding your light under a bushel, and the WT congregation metaphorically is one big bloomin bushel to hide under.

    Be yourself, be happy, sending positive vibes your way.

    Kindest regards

    Celtic

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck

    Katie, please don't give up hope of a bright future.

    Everyone has given you great advice and much to think on.

    You have a future...in anything you choose. You don't have to be a JW cleaning lady. Get some education. Grants and loans are easy to obtain. You do not have to go to a university. Look at the community college.

    Give it time. The most exciting part of my life was moving out of my mothers home at age 19 to go the university. I never wanted to go back. But, first I got a job and went full time to the community college. It taught me that there are lots of wonderful people and cultures in the world.

    Ahhh, freedom.

    You do not have to fit a mold or buy into the JW wife/popular being.

    My e-mail is also always open if you ever want to chat.

    Hugs,
    Tina

  • arachnia
    arachnia

    Hi Katie,

    Sorry to hear that you are feeling down of late. Hope that you are feeling better soon and that perhaps the perspectives that are offered here might help you move towards that. :)

    In reference to the archetypal "super pioneer" type, I was at one time regarded as just that. My parents were always "fringe" type JW's, but my mother made sure that I was assimilated fully by arranging a "big sister" to have a weekly bible study with me starting at around age 12. By the time I was 14-15, my parents were starting to fade away because they were having doubts, but not so much to the point where they felt it important to guard their daughter from the same religion with which they were taking dispute. They did it quietly and so I was the only one to really see it at first. Of course, being the typical teen, I complained about my parents, and my study conductor picked up on this and she and those in the congregation she told about my situation played into it by alluding to my parents being controlled by Satan, and I was thumbing my nose at the Devil himself if I were to not allow my parents to influence me. Well, of course, that was appealing to me in that (A) I was essentially rebelling against my parents with God's approval, go me! and (B) I found somewhere to fit in, or so I thought at the time.

    I went on to be the auxillary pioneer during summer breaks in high school, regular pioneered after high school (forgoing college of course), was always prepared at the meetings with not only the pat answers, but with additional research I had done (ha, this analytical/research side of me ended up helping me leave in the end), and I lived in the congregation that was infamous in the area for all its teens getting into judicial comittees because they were all being typical teens and gettin' it on. But not me - I was the only one who managed to avoid that trouble - amongst about 20 other kids in my generation. I was Ms. Spiritual Superhero. :p

    But let me tell you, it didn't bring me happiness. In fact, what it has done is make me very resentful of having lost out on a normal teenage life. Yes, I'm glad that I didn't get pregnant or an STD, etc. But I'm not even talking about "the extremes." I would have loved to have been able to be more focused on learning in high school, getting good grades, and using that as a launching pad for getting into college, possibly on a scholarship, so that I would not be trying to eke out two classes a semester while working full time now, with my degree a looonnnnng ways away. (I'm 31.) I would have liked to have gone to a few rock concerts. I would have liked to have been able to explore who I was inside without fear of being punished if I had thoughts considered "wrong," such as evaluating my programmed values and beliefs in light of my own experiences, etc., which is something that we should all have the right to do.

    And even back then, I wasn't happy because of it. I felt pressure constantly to be an adult with adult pressures, even though I was in a child's body and mind. The higher the precipice upon which you stand, the greater distance there is between you and the ground when you fall. It was a high-pressure balancing act that I would never repeat. I'm happy to just be myself, and to live up to the goals I set for myself. I've found friends outside of the JW's that are closer and more loyal to me than anyone there ever could have been, simply because of the way JW's are told they must rat each other out if they suspect someone of having "improper thoughts" or doing things that bother another's conscience. I have my own conscience to live up to and I don't believe that I should live by someone else's whose reality is different than my own, even if only slightly. I may not have the quantity of so-called friends I had while a JW, but the quality of my friends has improved in the sense of loyalty etc.

    I know you must be going through a very difficult time, with lots of pressure to return. But don't go back just because the religion promises to fulfill an emotional need you are having right now. It's a temporary fix - a bandaid on an open wound that the religion itself caused by making you feel inferior to the standards they have set for their members.

    Evaluate claims, whether they are religious, or otherwise, with some tools available at these sites:

    A Field Guide to Critical Thinking
    http://www.csicop.org/si/9012/critical-thinking.html

    Advanced Bonewits' Cult Danger Evaluation Frame
    This was written by a Neo-Pagan author, but it contains a great evaluation tool that can be applied to any religion:
    http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html

    Stephen's Guide to the Logical Fallacies
    This is a great resource to evaluate arguments presented to you which demand or suggest certain action on your part. See if these arguments measure up to logic or if they are using tactics to confuse or manipulate your thinking in order to get you to act. This is also helpful in evaluating your own thinking and beliefs to see if they are logical and "truth" ful (I use the quotes because truth can be a relative concept.)
    http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/welcome.htm

    Hope that this helps. Hang in there and remember, that SuperPioneer wasn't any different than the Honor Society Overacheiver, or the Popular Cheerleader in high school. We all seek acceptance and acknowledgement of who we are, and in the JW religion, being SuperPioneer happens to be the way to get those things. But it isn't how the rest of the world operates. Accept yourself, and love yourself, and then nobody can make you feel inferior unless you allow them to. (Thanks to Eleanor Roosevelt, as I just paraphrased her.) :)

    Cheers,
    ~arachnia

    Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
    -Kahlil Gibran

  • TR
    TR

    Hi Katie,

    Make sure to tell your future husband(a man, right?)that you are actually a lesbian so that he can expect a long drawn out divorce and a nice, nasty custody battle over the kids.

    TR

    UADNA-WA
    Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America- Washington Division

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    A lesbian. A woman who wants to have children.

    I smell troll shit, and you stink.

    Simon? Is this troll shit?

    Farkel

  • terafera
    terafera

    Arachnia-

    But let me tell you, it didn't bring me happiness. In fact, what it has done is make me very resentful of having lost out on a normal teenage life. Yes, I'm glad that I didn't get pregnant or an STD, etc. But I'm not even talking about "the extremes." I would have loved to have been able to be more focused on learning in high school, getting good grades, and using that as a launching pad for getting into college, possibly on a scholarship, so that I would not be trying to eke out two classes a semester while working full time now, with my degree a looonnnnng ways away. (I'm 31.) I would have liked to have gone to a few rock concerts. I would have liked to have been able to explore who I was inside without fear of being punished if I had thoughts considered "wrong," such as evaluating my programmed values and beliefs in light of my own experiences, etc., which is something that we should all have the right to do.
    You said it!!!! I wanted to say that my whole life! THANK YOU THANK YOU! I had wondered if I was the only one who had parents who never pushed academics. My mother never asked if I did my homework. She barely glanced at my report cards. Now I'm 28 and entering college, knowing my B.A. is years away. I feel much more prepared now, knowing that I want to study and learn. But in high school it simply wasnt encouraged.

    Your words really encouraged me and let me know I'm not alone!

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    Farkel, Katie is not a troll. She is a friend of mine from the aol chat rooms. I've known her for a couple of years now, via the net, and have talked with her on the phone. She just has mixed emotions is all.

    Katie, if you think going to the meetings is what you want then try it for a little while. You will know if it is truly right for you after you attend a few meetings, but I can tell you. I think it will only make you happy for a little while.

    Anyway, you still have my e-mail and you can write me anytime you wish.

    Lilacs/Shari

    I don't want someone in my life I can live with. I want someone in my life I can't live without.
  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    Hi Katie. First thing you need to learn is that there is no perfect life, in or out of the JWs. We all do best playing the hand we get and make the best of it.

    If you truly are a lesbian, why do you want to get married? That is just setting you and your potential husband up for a lot of heartache. As a female, you can get pregnant without marriage. You don't even have to sleep with a man. Of course, if you are bi, then maybe that would be enjoyable too. But, my main point is not to set out just to have children and not really be attracted to your mate. That would be a disaster in the making.

    In any type of relationship, there are problems and they all require work. No one is immune to those rough spots in the road. Sometimes, they are what builds a relationship to the strength needed to make it through life.

    Stop looking for perfection, it just doesn't exist. Work with what you have and live one day at a time. Figure out what you really want and go for it. Good luck to you.

    If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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