by nicolaou 185 Replies latest members adult
Well, lol... there he is. I recall that you could not prove that my God, the God and Father of Christ, the Most Holy One of Israel... does not exist, when you previously claimed that you could. I don't recall what thread it was on, it was some time ago, and i do have to leave in half an hour... so no time to start all over again today. Another day perhaps, Q... ; )
Peace to you,
tammy
Tec - you have never defined your god. Hundreds of thousands of words and you have never said anything but vague generalities. Prove me wrong now and describe what your god is, what evidence there is for it, what would disprove it and what predictions about reality your god allows you to make.
Please don't pretend that in previous discussion you ever did anything other than dance around saying, that isn't my god, that isn't what I believe. You have to make your case not simply post nonsense.
It sure is easy to believe in God when your fat azz is sitting in your recliner with a bucket of wings and a cold beer as you stare at your big screen TV and watch your fav movie.
I'm sure if those poor kids were able to formulate an opinion of whether God exists or not, we could all guess the answer.
A tousand year old tree produced zillions of nutrionous seeds in its life, only one is needed to replace it when it falls or is felled.
humans still experience this build-in redundancy that was our lot for eons.
life is made to be a self correcting, evolving system.
Made in the universe
(not china) like most things nowadays.
redvip2000 You read my mind - spot on...
Of course if death is only physical and in reality all who die in fact don’t, but go on to something more, it rather undermines the argument about children not being cared for by God because they can die sometimes.
What the heck does that mean.
Seraphim23 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
It means that belief in a God often entails the subsidiary belief that death does not really exist either. Thus the aim of the argument that belief in a God is silly because dyeing children exist in the world and this must mean such a God is cruel, and so either doesn’t exist, or if he does he is not worthy of any consideration, fails to have its full effect or any as an augment that carries freight because its logic is self-depended. The argument only works if the premise that God doesn’t exist is true and so the argument is circular.
The same type of circularity is also present with the positive argument with the belief in God and death not being real. This has to be admitted in order to be fair. Again it is self-dependant if left on its own. It’s just good to know the short comings of certain types of argument.
Ok - but the argument against a caring god is not simply that death occurs but that pain and sufferring occur. Making up a 'payment' for all that sufferring (heaven, eternal life etc) does not change the initial problem that god cannot be absolved of responsibility if he has the power to act and does not. An existence after a life of physical hell is not necessarily something to be desired either.
While the philosophical discussion has merit we should not use metaphysics and stories to stand in for reality and facts. Until we have evidence of life after death we are simply playing with words and ideas by suggesting ongoing existence.
