Thanks Suraj, i'm not bothered about reproof at all, i just want to not disappoint my family and yet wake the missus up. Time i slowed down i think. And kate, my missus has noticed the difference in me since i stepped down, she likes me much more now, and she can see im happier. Shes not at all bothered about position in the cong. We have a right laugh during the meetings, and we have a couple of decent friends in the org although we're not very social creatures.. I suppose everyones different, different things work for different people. I cant believe ive known ttatt for nearly a year now, time flies, so whats another couple years? too long thats what!