by Darkanyons 23 Replies latest watchtower bible
There is nothing wrong with the intelligent design theorie
There is nothing in the natural world that requires us to resort to ID.
ID is a non-answer, a conversation stopper. Proponents of ID want to put a stop to enquiry.
All of the basic precepts of ID like irreducible complexity and specified complexity have failed.
@Cofty... You do not understand me... I am not a theist (but also not an atheist) and am open for any enquiry and any conversation about the topic. I personally think that in some way processes have been started by someone ... just for the fun of it and left to evolve... the universe itself evolves all the time... so why not a smaller scale like in humans... even on atomic level it evolves/degenerates etc... it is a process but it started somewhere.
The bible does not speak against a local flood. The Hebrew word for 'earth' means actually land (the people of that time did not think of a round blue planet when they thought about earth), the Hebrew word for 'mountains' can also mean 'hills'/
But humans have been found to originate in the eastern part of Africa, so God must of made a God-Goof by not whacking humans in that part of the world.
How about the large meteorite that hit the earth which accumulated in the annihilation of the majority of all living species on the planet ?
Was that an event of intelligent design or one of unintelligent design ?
DS211: Rainbows exist when sunlight is reflectef in water sparks. Way before the flood there must have been rainbows as it rained before even the creation of man. The bible speaks of a humid climate.
The flood account doesnt contradict a local flood. The term whole earth is often used in the bible to describe some local things like the roman worldpower.
Flavius Josephus writes in his work 'Jewish antiquities' in paragraph 94-95 and 109 that many people fled to the high mountains and survived the flood (the wt society often quotes from that work). When you view it that all evil people living close to Noah died (but a lot that survived in other parts of the land) then not even this is a contradiction.
In my critique of the "Origins" Brochure I pointed out that not one Scientist who actually has expertise in the field of Evolutionary Biology could be found to back them up, and provide a quote, they could only blatantly quote mine and from people not qualified in the field.
It is the same with Dr. Kotlar, not his field of expertise, even if his is close.
The W.T are desperate to pour doubt upon proven Science, good luck with that one Writing Boys !
As to the Flood story being about a local flood in reality, more than likely, the Hebrew allows for that interpretation, but the point is that with the Bibles timeline for it, as reproduced lately by the W.T, even a dramatic local flood did not happen then. The Bible is full of nonsense.
From the article in Feb 2014 Awake!, the capper:
Why did you become one of Jehovah Witnesses?
I was attracted by their hospitality and their faith in the Creator’s promise of a better future. * And that faith rests on research and sound reasoning, not myths or speculation.
Deluded man, indeed.... Hans clearly doesn't understand the Bible's own definition of the word, 'faith', given in Hebrews 11.
Google gives this article (penned by Hans in 2009):
Through StatoilHydro's drilling operations, I have had access to underground bacterial communities that is unparalleled anywhere in the world. The samples come up drenched in black, smelly oil of varying consistency. For organisms that are so accustomed to living in extreme environments, they are extraordinarily delicate once brought to the surface: Despite coping with pressures of 200-300 bars (about the force of an elephant standing on the head of a needle), and temperatures often used in disinfection, these organisms do not survive long at the surface.
So apparently Hans now believes God not only created the bacteria to live in under-sea oil fields, but also created the oil fields themselves for them to live in, NOT from prior carbon-based matter that decomposed over time AFTER they were created (i.e. plants, animals, dinosaurs), but God created those oil-fields specifically for the bacteria to live in!
BTW, Hans claims this in the article:
I'm a cancer immunologist by training, which explains my inclination to imagine solutions to improving an oil company's efficiency based on the biological principles I'm most familiar with. Geologists and physicists dominate the science of oil extraction, but the subtle capabilities of microorganisms reveal new approaches to unlocking the full potential of oil reserves - reserves that have been inaccessible using established technology.
Huh? What does studying how human cancer develops when the immune system doesn't do it's job have to do with helping oil companies find oil?
Sounds like someone who experienced a crisis of career in his chosen field, when he couldn't cut it in the field of medical research.
BTW, note this reference in the article:
Until only a few years ago, the majority of researchers doubted the possibility of any living matter in oil reservoirs that were sealed off for 200-500 million years.
Hans had better readjust that thinking on the timelines of creation, as it doesn't comply with the beliefs of the WTBTS!
Adam
Oh i know rainbows existed before.but not according to scripture..im just referring to this
Gen 9:. 13 I put my rainbow in the cloud, and it will serve as a sign of the covenant between me and the earth.
two things..1) rainbows arent mentioned till after the flood nor is the covnany connected with it. Now this was a promise her never destroy the "earth" (same word for land) again by flood. If it is local flood then this, to me, is a false promise. Unless im missing something. And 2) if its a global flood theres seems to be evidence to contradict how many animals existed on the entire planet and how certain animals got back to where they were from (kangaroos or koalas, etc).
DS211 said-
wo things..1) rainbows arent mentioned till after the flood nor is the covnany connected with it. Now this was a promise her never destroy the "earth" (same word for land) again by flood.
The 'local' vs 'worldwide' flood is a red-herring, likely resulting from insertion of anachronistic thinking and to make the account more credible, when it's clearly based on older Sumerian flood account myths.
And actually, God promised never to 'curse the ground' on account of the sins of mankind (as God had done BEFORE the Flood with punishment of Cain and Adam), so it had nothing to do with "destroying the Earth" (water served as a purpose of cleansing, where blood served both a polluting effect on the land as well as a cleansing and purifying function via the offering of sacrifices), since God had instituted an alternative method of punishment for actions that caused God to carry out the flood (evil thoughts which led to murder).
The Flood account of Noah is actually a combining of two versions, one written by the Yahwist (circa 900BCE) and the other written by the Priestly source (post-exilic, circa 500BCE): both serve a different theological purposes, and the 'seams' are still seen in the combined (merged) version.
I've written about the original intent of the authors of the flood account on my blog:
Adam
jwfacts said-
Rainbows have been around as long as there have been sunlight and water droplets.
What nonsense! Everyone knows rainbows are visible evidence of leprechauns who hide magical pots of gold underneath!
In the words of Dr Hans, the leprechaun hypothesis requires "faith that rests on research and sound reasoning, not myths or speculation", like the physicists with their so-called "laws" of diffraction theory.
Adam
I believe the flood account and sumerian, accadian flood accounts share the same origin. A huge local flood that remained in the collective memory of those nations (not 2400 bce but older.
There are many more flood legends around the world. WT says it is because all humans come from Noah. I believe that those legends come from huge floods after the melting ofvthe last ice age 14000-8000 years ago. The sea level eas about 120metres below todays level. That gave an enormous amount of land to inhabit which is flooded now. There were maybe civilisations that we have never heard if.
In India for example in the gulf of cambay ruins were found deep below sea level. On the japanese island of yonaguni some there are structures deep under water that some scientists believe to be manmade.
