UN vs. The Vatican - Ex-JWs, are you sure?

by gold_C 42 Replies latest social current

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  mynameislame

  When I was a JW i tried my best to be a good JW. I wasn't perfect but I know I was sincere. I got no help from Jah, the elders or anyone.

  So I came to the conclusion that if the JWs were right and God wanted to kill me because I wasn't one of them then I didn't want any part of him anyway.

  If the JWs are the one true religion then god is crazy and you are better off dead than living forever with that dysfunctional JW family.

  That is what comforts me when I see some prediction of theirs that seems to have some validity.

  Honestly I feel a stronger spiritual presence in my life after leaving the JWs and I'm not even a believer in god or at least the bible.

  I am open to god leading me back to him but it will need to be a very spiritual experience.
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  Island Man

  If the U.N. is going to turn on the Vatican for covering up child abuse; and if it's God that puts it in the hearts of the U.N. leaders to do this then wouldn't he also be infuriated at the JW organization for also having policies of covering up child abuse? Isn't he also going to use the U.N. to turn on Watchtower? For "there is no partiality with God"!

  If the JWs you're hearing this from had any idea about the extent that Watchtower policies have sought to cover up child abuse then they wouldn't be gleefully pointing fingers at the U.N. putting heat on the Vatican. If this really is the beast turning on Babylon then without question the JW organization is part of Babylon and you have every reason to feel more safe being away from them - not with them!
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  OUTLAW

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  Good Afternoon Band!..

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  Theres a few Napping Pope Pictures..

  .....Being a Pope must be Boring..

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  Fisherman

  The problem is that if the church turns in sinners to secular authorities, the church cannot be trusted and is doomed. It is shocking that the UN would dare to dictate to the "Holy See" what to teach on matters of abortion, contraception, etc, -or about anything at all having to do with religious belief. That is the place of the Holy See and not of the UN or any other secular entity. The UN has overstepped it's ambit of authority and is standing where it ought not. It is not the place of the UN to dictate to the church what to teach it's followers.

  If the UN succeeds in forcing the RCC (1.2 billion followers, the largest in Christendom) to submit, the rule also applies to all other religious entities too because why pick only on the RCC?
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  galaxie

  Fishy, do you really think the U.N is 'picking' on the rcc? If so I wonder why. Could it be because of the cover up and totally deliberate mishandling of child abuse over many many years.Surely the picking on them is rightly justifiable or do you disagree?.It's not as if they were handling the matter with any endeavour themselves.

  Thousands of affected people would and indeed have testified to that, mostly members of rcc.

  Its wise to remember a lot of members and associates of the U.N are Christian the rcc among them by being an N.G.O.

  Do you not think it would be wise to have a rethink?
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  Fisherman

  gal, my commentary does not imply that the UN is picking on the RCC, but that it seems that the UN has a greater agenda starting with the RCC. The RCC apologetics made that clear in their news articles response to the UN when the RCC pointed out that other major religions also have issues. It goes without saying that the UN has only picked the RCC (the largest xtian denomination) to start with and that if they stopped there without having everybody else follow suit, the UN would in fact be picking on the RCC. Let's see what happens. The UN may not even enforce what they request if the RCC refuses to comply or cooperate -but then again they might.
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  DATA-DOG

  Fisherman said, " The problem is that if the church turns in sinners to secular authorities, the church cannot be trusted and is doomed."

  Can you elaborate on this. Are you speaking specifically of the RCC or ALL religions? Trusted by whom?? Pedos?? It's not about turning people in, it's about not turning a blind eye to badness. If you want to someone for allowing the secular authorities to bare a sword, the complain to God. Tell him it's not right for the Superior Authorities to hold wrongdoers accountable. BTW, I feel much more secure in a congregation where the Clergy covers up child abuse, as opposed to turning a pedo in...
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  Fisherman

  A recent news article (Dallasnews Opinion) pointed out that the UN's report against the RCC's teachings on contraception and abortion, etc, was not directed at the theology of the RCC, but at how RCC teachings specifically affect the welfare of children. But it does not matter why the UN is dictating to the RCC what to teach -the police is inside your house (I mean, IF they manage to get in). If so, the fiat will no longer be coming from Rome but from the UN.
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  galaxie

  Fishy, your analogy r.e fiat car is interesting, consider a car which has a fault which could lead to harm.

  Would it not be fitting for another source to investigate to lessen damage/harm?

  Therefore would it not be BETTER for the user to have safety whether the car was made in rome or N.Y.

  Perhaps a rethink would be in order , as we are talkIng about the welfare of vulnerable individuals.
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  JWdaughter

  JWs have used every event that they could possibly link to the end times to "prove" their sequence of things. They are full of it. You know it, I know it. If you are honestly concerned about this latest bit, you should seriously get some counseling for ways to deal with the fears that the WTS has instilled in you.

  The UN is always supporting liberty, women, children, health, peace issues. A major religion (every religion) that actively protects abusers needs to be put on notice that it is not acceptable in the world community. Its not just a problem limited to one church or one kind of organization. The UN can't really send peacekeeping forces into every church, so I don't know what kind of threat they are issuing or what consequence the could suggest, but we do know one thing-the UN spouts off ultimately useless proclamations and sanctions on a regular basis. It seems mostly to be like a big, growly old toothless mutt dog.