by fulltimestudent 36 Replies latest jw friends
Pronger1: Fact is, history is full of women rulers who were oppressive and warmongering.
Xanthippe: Pronger that is not the same as a matriarchal society.
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A matriarchy is a social organizational form in which the mother or oldest female heads the family. Descent and relationship are determined through the female line. It is also government or rule by a woman or women.
Moche people This is the Wiki link inside your Yahoo link AndDontCallMeShirley. Doesn't have the same slant on women rulers as your four paragraphs from yahoo but neither source is very academic. Can't post the pictures on the pottery, Simon might object. Looks like male members of society were quite prominent.
X: but neither source is very academic
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Okay. I'd suggest contacting the archaeologists referenced and let them know they are wrong. Maybe share your wisdom with them based on your own extensive archaeological work in South America.
Okay. I'd suggest contacting the archaeologists referenced and let them know they are wrong. Maybe share your wisdom with them based on your own extensive archaeological work in South America.
Cult of experts, very tiresome. I wanted to show the pieces of pottery because they, along with the other artefacts, burial grounds and female skeletons are the primary sources. From these sources they have to draw their conclusions.
I found their conclusions unconvincing. I do have a history degree and I understand primary sources but even if I didn't why would I not use my own brain and decide for myself if the primary source material led directly to the conclusions they have drawn or if they are making assumptions?
Being told what to believe and told how dare you question our expertise is what got us into this mess in the first place. Never again!
X: I found their conclusions unconvincing... why would I not use my own brain and decide for myself
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You are entitled to your opinions... no one is saying otherwise. However, realize your opinions do not constitute facts or evidence. Certain individuals here, you included, took issue with the idea that women in power could display brutality and cruelty equally comparable to men (Yadda calling the mere idea "utter balderdash"). You asked for a link, I provided one, which offered evidence supporting the idea. You chose to blast that information under the guise of you don't think it's "academic". Well, unless you are an archaeologist who's worked on these sites and examined the evidence for yourself, formed a hypothesis regarding said evidence, then had your hypothesis peer reviewed to authenticate your ideas, and a theory formulated based on substantiation of your hypothesis is accepted, then you are in no position to invalidate their claims simply because you "found their conclusions unconvincing". You may choose to believe the earth is flat because current evidence leaves you "unconvinced", but that doesn't change the evidence and how others choose to interpret it.
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X: I wanted to show the pieces of pottery because they, along with the other artefacts, burial grounds and female skeletons are the primary sources. From these sources they have to draw their conclusions.
Yes, this is what archaeologists do. You'll just have to learn to live with it. It is a sad fact of life that archaeologists dig stuff up, compare all the evidence, then form theories as best they can from that evidence. Until a magic wand is invented that does a better job, that's all we have.
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X: Being told what to believe and told how dare you question our expertise is what got us into this mess in the first place. Never again!
The only person asserting this is you...no one here said it....
AndDontCallMeShirley, I've read your words and thought of several different replies but I just can't get past the rage. It bounces off the screen. What are you so angry about? Why are you comparing me to a member of the Flat Earth Society?
you are projecting, Xianthippe. Any alleged "rage" and "anger" is apparently yours, as all I was doing is addressing your comments.
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I say again, since you apparently are so much more enlightened than the archaeologists actually doing the work, why not contact them and set them straight? I'm sure they would appreciate your insights based on your vast personal experience in ancient Peruvuan history and in-the-field archaeology in South America.
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X: Why are you comparing me to a member of the Flat Earth Society?
I wasn't...it's a statement utilizing hyperbole. Sometimes the best way to illustrate absurdity is to be absurd....but you missed the point completely.
This is a discussion forum. People are bound to have viewpoints different than yours from time to time. If that is upsetting to you maybe you are in the wrong place.
This is a discussion forum. People are bound to have viewpoints different than yours from time to time. If that is upsetting to you maybe you are in the wrong place.
Why do you think I'm upset? Who is projecting now? People are bound to have different viewpoints from mine and from yours, no problem. Are you trying to get rid of me?
Why do you think I'm upset? Who is projecting now?.....Are you trying to get rid of me?
Ha! Silly pics and misquotes already. Too easy. I had fun. Thanks.
