Same sex relationship are natural to people who do have same sex attraction. It has nothing to do with biology of procreation. Same sex attraction is not about procreation; and if two individuals find love in their attraction, their bond is based on love, support, friendship and common values. It again does not have to do with genetalia. Majority of gay men do not engage in gay sex in their relationship, and after years together and over 50, they most likely spent time in garden, planning retirement, fishing, or travel. Again, innability to procreate did not stop having two people loving, and meaningfull relationship. It is not your business to tell how two individuals should live their life. If two lesbians meet and have children due artificial insemination, they have family, and nobody should say anything. The family remains, until one of the partner leaves or die. Your preocupation with genitalia as way expressing long lasting relationship among couple is certainly wierd, and you are ignorant that you have equate brain caused attraction among two adults with reproduction. Social setting in our western world allows anyone to choose not procreate. Not every human straight or gay has desire to produce offspring. Science does not deal with unatural. It deals with fact supported by evidence. Either way, modern science does not considered two adults in relationship as unatural. They have not since 1850's onward.
JW's Anti-Gay position puts them in the axis of ignorance
by scotoma 64 Replies latest jw friends
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Space Madness
So since you have no children, can it be suggested that since you believe that sex exists purely for procreation, and since you have no children, then you have refrained from sexual activities, including masturbatory sex?
Whether I had sex or not doesn't change the fact that the purpose of sex is procreation.
If two lesbians meet and have children due artificial insemination, they have family, and nobody should say anything...
You're basing your arguments on emotion instead of fact. How can they have a family if the father isn't in his child's life. You can simply change the definition of a family just because it's makes some people uncomfortable. Two women can raise a boy into a man and two men can't raise a girl into a women.
Either way, modern science does not considered two adults in relationship as unatural. They have not since 1850's onward.
Psychologist aren't scientist. The laws of nature don't vary in time or culture. Heterosexuality is required for the survival of mankind, homosexuality is not. Stop pretending the two are equal. They are not. One is necessary the other isn't.
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fulltimestudent
Your emission of semen as you masturbate is therefore not part of procreation, is it? Far more semen emissions occurr during recreational sex than during procreational sex.
If your hypothesis was correct you would not even have a desire to masturbate. But the likelihood is that you do masturbate, because you enjoy it as pure recreational sex.
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Space Madness
If your hypothesis was correct you would not even have a desire to masturbate.
Are you telling me that the idea of procreation being the only reason for sex is just a hypothesis? What do you think sperm is being released for if not for procreation? Our bodies are wired to start procreating when reach our early teens. Because we live in a society where we need money and maturity to raise children,it is not adivsed for use to procreate that early. We have the desire to have sex because we are able to procreate,when people get old and can no longer procreate the desire goes away.
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cantleave
Space madness if we left nature to it, there would be around 1.25% maternal deaths due to childbirth resulting in many millions of motherless children. I am so glad we defy the "laws of nature" with enlightment and science.
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yadda yadda 2
Normal families with young children do not want noisy, in-your-face gays constantly in the public and media trying to normalise what is ultimately aberrant sexuality. I don't care what you say, it's offensive, like prostitutes or pornstars always publicly demanding accepting of their lifestyles as normal.
In-your-face gays in Russia have partially brought the governmental reaction upon themselves by their noisy public displays and in-your-face protests for recognition of their precious rights and demands for acceptance as 'normal.' That's of course no excuse for imprisoning or killing gays though.
No one gives a shit, were sick of it, go away and stick your genitals into each others orifices in private, we don't care, just stay out of our face and away from our families and kids. And don't give us this constant 'you suffer from homophobia' bollox, as if everyone else has the problem except you.
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designs
Like with most Social issues the Society is centuries behind the times.
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jwfacts
Same sex relationships are unatural as they can't lead to reproduction.
Same sex relationships occur frequently amongst numerous animals, so it is very natural.
Sex does not only need to be for procreation. Prior to the availability of contraception it was common for married men to take male lovers, so as to prevent their wife having too many children. A woman's body takes time to recover from pregnancy, and child birth is dangerous, so same sex relations is a naturally effective way to satisfy the male sex drive and have the most number of healthy children.
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valkyrie
yadda yadda 2, you're a gut-busting riot! LOL!
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blondie
Reproduction? What about men and women who marry each other knowing one or the other cannot have children? Or if into the marriage one or both cannot have children, the marriage is over? Or if men use condoms and women birth control, their marriage does not have God's backing? Or if a man has a vasectomy or his wife a hysterectomy, their marriage is over? Or if a woman goes through menopause, her marriage is over? What about adoption if you can't have children...is that producing children that fullfill the marriage requirement? Why can't same sex marriages do the same? Why is it so few jws adopt children?
*** w66 7/1 pp. 415-416 Questions From Readers ***
Would it be proper for a Christian married couple to adopt a child?—J. W., U.S.A.
Whether to adopt a child is a matter to be decided by the individual married couple. The situation is similar to determining whether to have a natural child, in cases where that is possible. The decision made by one married couple in such matters would not be the criterion on which others must base their decision. Nor would it be fitting to criticize persons for the course they choose to follow in these respects.
The Watch Tower Society has no arrangements for assisting persons in arranging child adoptions. It does not maintain a list of names and addresses of individuals who desire to have their children adopted by others. Nor can the Society furnish legal aid in such matters.
If marriage mates legally adopt a child, they become responsible for that child in a manner that is comparable to the responsibility resting upon natural parents. Hence, Christians who adopt a child will wish to care for that child properly, giving attention not only to the child’s physical needs but also to the child’s more important spiritual needs. The adopting father, who is the head of the household, is Scripturally required to shoulder the principal responsibility for both the child’s material and spiritual welfare.—1 Tim. 5:8; Isa. 38:19; Eph. 5:21–6:4.
Some Christians (the WTS) have viewed childlessness or the having of fewer children to be a circumstance allowing them more time for the service of Jehovah God. Childless couples, for instance, do not have the responsibilities that go with the rearing of children and thus have greater opportunities to expend their time and energies in the direct pursuit of Kingdom interests.—Matt. 6:33.
Married couples, of course, must govern their own affairs. They know their individual circumstances and desires. So, it is up to them to decidewhether to adopt a child or not.—Gal. 6:5.