Say Goodbye To Israel

by metatron 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    I don't think Israel should have moved in and taken over based on the idea that god gave it to them or they used to live there.

    Agreed. in reality this was the biggest Geo-political blunder of last century. Letting Israel set up a state in that region. It makes as much sense as allowing a white supremacy group to set up camp in Harlem.

    Who in their right mind couldn't figure out that doing this would cause massive instability in the area? There will NEVER be peace between Jews and Muslims as long as they are Jews and Muslims. Perhaps one day in the distant future, when humans have evolved enough to see through the bull$hit of all organized religion, there will be a chance for them to live all in peace.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    In a weird way, we have the apostle Paul to thank for the modern state of Israel, if he was indeed the one who started the proselytization to Gentiles. After all, it was only because of the widespread nature of Christianity in the West that the world powers thought it was a good idea to recreate Israel, right?

  • DJS
    DJS

    Met,

    You went from the facts about the ultra orthodox movement to some very Watchtowerish conclusions. You state: "Many people don't understand that Israel is headed into big trouble and instability. There is an emerging sense that Zionism as a political movement is in trouble inside and out amidst growing isolation."

    Really? Your sources? Taken literally then "many" do understand? Or think that is what is going to occur? You state that Israel heading for big trouble and instability is a given. What are your facts? They have been in political and social turmoil since the U.N. gave them a charter after WWII. They are kinda sorta used to it, Met. Your statement sounds like something the WT would say. It is simply not based on any facts, and you haven't provided any. I'm waiting on them, as I'm kinda sorta an expert on this topic.

    "Zionism as a political movement is in trouble inside and out amidst growing isolation???" Really? Anything new here? From whom are they isolated? They have very powerful friends, the Arab spring has resulted in a lot of chaos and likely has increased the anomalous asymmetrical threats to Isreal but again, what else is new?

    The Ultra Othrodox are also very resented, inside and out, by Jews all over the world because they want to bask in the security and economic prowess of Israel without doing what many believe is their part in supporting military efforts.

    The anti-conscription and anti-land grab movement shouldn't be misconstrued as the end of Israel, and that is what you are doing. The anti-war demonstrations and the fleeing of many young American males to Canada wasn't the end of the U.S. or the U.S. military; but it was necessary to make a statement. The U.S. and the U.S. military both have gotten better as a result of those protests, and there is no reason to conclude Israel won't follow suit. Lots of Israelis living in Israel today want a better solution to the land issues and the Palestinian 'problem.' That is the real issue. Where it leads will be interesting; the conclusions you draw from it are not.

    Whether or not Israel should have been given the territory is a separate issue. Look at all of the data - including the economy, technology, natural resources, milatry prowess, and then make another O.P. that isn't driven by the media you are reading that supports what you want to believe. And then post another one. This one suffers from a reactionary bent with conclusions that aren't supported by the weight of evidence.

    I have regular contact with individuals who live in Israel and my third best friend is an atheist but a Jew who keeps kosher. He is like lots of other Jews; his culture and history mean so much to him/them and they are committed to their last breath - whether they live in Tel Aviv or Brooklyn - to make sure that culture and the physical land of Israel survives.

  • metatron
    metatron

    I have provided links, if you bother to read them. Will a majority of Israeli school kids be Non-Supporters of Zionism in a few years?

    Empires don't last forever and as I pointed out, you or anyone are free to deny the mainstream warnings coming from the White House about Israel's future. You are also free to read or ignore headlines found on the Jerusalem Post about Israel's future, as they seem concerned. You are also free to consider the current defeats of the Israeli Lobby in Congress in regard to Syria, Iran and peace talks - and defeat of Netanyahu in trying to get Romney elected.

    Even Amnesty International has turned against them as in a report released last week. Europe sentiment about boycotting Israel is shifting and Israeli leaders know it.

    Let's be clear: I am NOT predicting the end of Israel as a physical entity occupying a GPS position in the Middle East. However, as the White House is pointing out, time is running out. I am certainly not the first to point out that they are facing a situation such as South Africa did under apartheid. They either create a separate Palestine or BECOME Palestine.

    This hotly debated shift in international politics is being discussed in blogs all across the internet. What I observe is denial, denial....

    Israel won't win this one..... but a democratic Palestine will.

    metatron

  • metatron
    metatron

    Oh, lucky me!

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/collapse-americans-democracy.html

    If peace talks fail, guess what the US thinks should happen?

    metatron

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    If Israel as a Jewish nation were to fall, GOOD RIDDANCE!

    The Hebrews were not a group who took the land with God's blessings. They were Palestinians themselves. They are just as bad as any group around about being exclusionary and thinking more of themselves than outsiders.

    I am not against modern-day Israel surviving as a political entity. I just would be glad that the Jewishness is wearing off. I would also be glad if the Christianness of the United States would wear off, so please- no letters.

  • metatron
    metatron

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-pushing-israel-to-stop-assassinating-iranian-nuclear-scientists/

    The Prime Minister comes to visit and the mainstream media (CBS) reports the President is telling them to stop murdering Iranian Scientists.

    How about that? I see a huge change in how that report was 'timed'. But I think we can know something that truly terrifies the leaders of Israel and won't let them sleep at night. What could that be?

    They have to be very careful about President Obama. If he, as President, flatly admits that Israel has nuclear weapons, they are in trouble. In fact, a big reason why Israel wants to stop or sabotage peace talks with Iran is that if the talks succeed, there will be a move to make the whole Middle East nuke-free.

    World peace has its costs and these are some of them.

    metatron

  • minimus
    minimus

    Everyone knows of Israel's nuclear capabilities.

  • metatron
    metatron

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

    Not quite that simple - their policy is "nuclear ambiguity".

    In addition to the above problems, there is another that has been kept out of the manistream media and that concerns genetics. There are claims being made by experts (some of them Jewish) that modern day Jews are mostly descended from Europeans, not the Patriarchs.

    In the past - this was considered a pejorative or insulting claim by anti-semites ( for many, it probably it still is!) - however, for some experts, the claim of being "Semitic" is in doubt, thus eroding a popular notion of claiming the Holy Land.

    metatron

  • nancy drew
    nancy drew

    The genetics of it all is interesting

    i did my dna on 23 andme and I am 50% irish, 25% ashkenazi jewish and the rest is sort of germanic. I'm matching chromosomes with some people in Israel so the question is. Who really is a jew?

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