Atheists, here is a 'balls' question ---even for all---

by prologos 224 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  prologos

  jeff, rather then comment on what you dont know ( my depth of understanding) help us all to show precisely where the assertions presented i.e. bode , dual star systems -- are wrong. be a teacher, not a critic.

  of course baseball's trajectories are influenced by their rotation in the air, that brings us to the 4 (count them) reasons why wings, or rotating spheres have LIFT, knuckles and all. and

  Rotating spheres in space (not air) are driven ever so slightly by star radiation. and it's all 'build - into' or 'embodied' in nature's laws.
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  Phizzy

  Are Mathematics "built into" the Universe, in the sense that a creator put them there,

  or do we simply use math as a language to explain what we see and find ?
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  prologos

  Phizzy, am not an atheist, but I venture to say that Mathematics is a human language, used by, but untouched by the interference reported for the builders in Babel. and while we are at it, one of the most useful tool in that laguage is the EUATION and it's manipulation.

  An balancing of two different expression on either side of the '=' sign. like on a balance weight scale.

  To arrive at the "zero sum", 'ultimate free lunch" universe, a balance is suggested between Energy and matter/gravity. or similar opposites, like matter/antimatter in the process near the 'Big Bang' event. however,

  having two equal weight or value on both sides of the equation or pivot point, does not mean that the TOTAL value present is zero, no, rather the TOTAL is twice the weight or value on each side. That is so, even if the two touching would annihilate each other. Good for us there was not a perfect balance of Matter & Antimatter in the beginning. so

  To have balanced viw, there is a lot of Energy, matter present in the Universe now, that was not in that form and that place before.

  WELL, like all Languages that Humans use, Math is a thing of beauty,

  when spoken WELL.
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  sir82

  So if I understand it, your argument is that since the universe is complex, there must have been a creator.

  what we have to make and MAINTAIN, it came from nothing, nowhere,nobody.

  It seems that your solution is that the universe mst have come from God.

  Well, who made & maintains God? He seems to have come from nothing, nowhere, nobody.
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  Jon Preston

  Ive enjoyed this thread...marked for further amusement later
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  Viviane

  vivian: please google binary star systems: first entry: MORE tha HALF of stars in this galaxy are in binary star systems.

  Of course not, you said it, it's on you to prove it.

  you will notice that no planet deviates more than 5% from its 'bode' position, a divergence common in nature.

  First, OF COURSE Earth has a zero deviation, it was the orbital body USED to make all the other calculations. For the rest....

  Here are the distances of planets in the Solar System, calculated from the rule and compared with the real ones:

  Graphical plot using data from table to the left

  Planet	k	T-B rule distance (AU)	Real distance (AU)	% error (using real distance as the accepted value)
  Mercury	0	0.4	0.39	2.56%
  Venus	1	0.7	0.72	2.78%
  Earth	2	1.0	1.00	0.00%
  Mars	4	1.6	1.52	5.26%
  Ceres 1	8	2.8	2.77	1.08%
  Jupiter	16	5.2	5.20	0.00%
  Saturn	32	10.0	9.54	4.82%
  Uranus	64	19.6	19.2	2.08%
  Neptune	128	38.8	30.06	29.08%
  Pluto 2	256	77.2 2	39.44	95.75%

  Notice the deviations? Bode's hypothesis doesn't work.

  so look at vibrations, pulsations, acoustics from posiible strings to galaxies.

  Random words that mean nothing.

  Jupiter by Jove has 0ver 90% of all the planet's masses and is our protector, broke up and gobbled up shoemaker the comet, and keeps asteroids in resonances, except when required to jolt evolution out of it's dangerous ruts.

  Random facts paired with randmon words that mean nothing and don't even approach the idea of the ballpark of making sense.

  Seriously, you need a good basis in critical thinking or science education. You're so far off base you aren't even wrong.
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  Viviane

  vivian, to be exact, the closest star, 4+ light years away, is part of a BINARY star system , as most stars , Alpha CentaurI (plural) proxima.

  do your research before engaging your tongue. it will do wonders for your credibility.

  You made the claim, it's on you to prove it. And, actually, the closest star to us is Sol, and it's NOT part of binary system. You have all the work to do to prove your statement and back up your logic.

  Backing up your claims (which you have to do when you make them, it's not up to someone else to do your work for you) would do wonders for either your credibility or your education.
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  Viviane

  I just suggested a Adromeda-enriched environment might be their ticket to final success. That's how desperate their case is. take sarcasm seriously please.

  Since you didn't reference the WT or their desperate case, I suggest you take a class on creative writing to learn how to convery sarcasm. There must be some context for it to make sense, which you did not provide. Also, if you have a history of saying wrong things (shown on this thread), you can't expect people to know when you are just being horribly wrong vs. sarcastic against something you haven't mentioned.
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  Viviane

  To arrive at the "zero sum", 'ultimate free lunch" universe, a balance is suggested between Energy and matter/gravity. or similar opposites, like matter/antimatter in the process near the 'Big Bang' event.

  A zero-sum universe means there IS no free lunch. It means everything balances in the end. That's what zero-sum means.

  having two equal weight or value on both sides of the equation or pivot point, does not mean that the TOTAL value present is zero, no, rather the TOTAL is twice the weight or value on each side.

  You still misunderstand zero-sum. It doesn't mean "there is nothing", it means "all things balance in the end".
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  Captain Obvious

  You have a goal in mind when you swing a bat or a golf club. Natural history has no goal or desired end product. What happened happened, what is here is what is here.

  If you swung a golf club (gravity) at a golf ball (mass) with no particular direction, object or hole to hit at... Would it land in the bushes with onlookers amazed at how it ended up where it did, almost as if it were meant to be?

  Galaxies are made up of giant balls of dust that eventually grouped into planets, stars, moons. Their orbits and speeds determined by any number of factors.. None of them being the wishes of a supernatural being.

  If it has been set in place by a supernatural being, he's not very good at what he/she/it does.