by DakotaRed 62 Replies latest jw friends
How you can come to a board like this full of molestation and rape survivors and spew your Watchtower filth is totally beyond me.
I would call it self-justification. It occurs whenever ones core belief system is called into question. Some would go as far to say that it is a necessary defense mechanism for those who cherrish their respective paradigms. Other would call in integrity.
Either way you look at it, it's pointless.
Hilda, In all this rhetorical wrangling, a simple truth seems to get lost. Since we're all 'imperfect', it's not so much what we do, but more what we do about it. If we seek real peace and freedom, one must co-operate with the true, living dynamic of 'confessing and leaving' one's sin. This is true for any indiviual or organization, and it's certainly not limited to the WBTS understanding of how to do it. It's not enough to say 'yes, there are sins'. It's more like 'this is how I've sinned, this is who I hurt and how I hurt them, it was wrong, I will humbly recompense them and this is what I'm going to do daily, if need be, to keep it from happening again'. Sounds simple, but it's not easy. We all have the choice. We can throw up whatever pretense we want (well-worded policy changes), but if we can't or won't do what's neccessary to 'leave' the sin, then we are not only unsafe, but are probably in the process of selecting our next victim
Hello Alan,
Quote: Why do I talk about the author's implication about critics? Because he only deals with the tiny number of unspecified critics who might possibly be stupid enough to think that only JWs have a problem with pedophilia, and fails to deal with the facts presented by the great majority of critics who are perfectly well aware that every segment of society, religious or otherwise, suffers from this problem.
EVERY segment of society has the problem of molestation wherever there's children - just so that the critics won't pick.
Quote: Critics of JWs focus on JWs for a simple reason: they know JWs better than they know any other religion. They leave criticism of other religions to those who know them best. But because they have precious few good arguments against the charges brought by JW critics, JW apologists like our idiot author often invent strawmen that are easy to knock down.
We could criticize Muslims, etc., - but normally (when interviewed on the news) other Muslims are asked to comment of the Muslim problem. Btw, only using Muslims as an example.
Quote: This deliberate invention of straw men illustrates another major fault of Jehovah's Witnesses (and of course, related religions that like to cover over their embarassing stupidities): they have little respect for the truth. Rather, their focus is on keeping their organization's name free from blemish in the eyes of the public. They subscribe to the refrain: "my religion right or wrong". They have forgotten that they claim to worship the God of Truth.
I've been a jw for 30 years......we didn't belong to the "lesser wrong" religion. We were taught that we belonged to the Only True Religion - and "by it's fruits" we, and others, would be able to see a marked better difference between the JW's and all other religions/atheists. We would be found to be better.
We weren't better. JW's have been found to be like any other religious organization - but now it's becoming public scandal that the Jehovah's Witnesses - in some ways - are much worse than some other religions.
waiting
Your previous comments, waiting, definately, do not suck. Very good points.
I think this Jw hit the proverbial nail on the head. Pedophilia is lamentable. It is also probably rare among jws. Only bigotted persons would present such information as dakota has presented it. The jw is not advocating or approving of pedos.
Hilda, as usual, you are way out in left field on this one. Currently, the Cathoilic Church is under more fire than any other relgion is over the issue. I openly state many times that the problem is pandemic across all relgious boundaries. But, no one else but the JWs are booting out the child advocates and victims and often, reinstating the pedophile shortly after they are DF'd.
If there are more cases in another religion, that hardly justifies any cases at all in the JWs. One is one too many!
If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?
"The author of the linked article, like this Hildabingen WATCHTOWER TROLL, is a lying, fucking idiot. He knowingly uses absolutely classic false arguments. Of course, this will work on braindead rank & file JWs,"
You can chat with him too in yahoo.
sKally
Dungbeetle, you're a drama queen. I am not "constantly harping on Bill's statement" I commented on it on the initial thread and here. He posted a number of pedophiles in the WT org that came from a secret, unverifiable source. This makes it hearsay, whether it is believable or not. Do you disagree with this?
And if it will shut you up, I will send an email to Bill to ask him if he can verify these sources yet.
Don't want the facts, hey?No, I prefer to live in a world of fantasy. Gimme a break.
You are a nameless, faceless voicelss person hiding behind a nameless faceless voiceless ISP.Hmmm, imagine that on a NG. You mean you don't see the video feed? I thought I had worked that in correctly.
I don't know anyone on this list, so I have no interest in giving out my personal information. It's called internet security.
You are obviously only hear to rub salt in injured people's wounds. People here are suffering and hurting and seeking to make sense of unjustifiable wrongs that have been done them.Why, because I don't go along with mob mentality? Would it be better if I just chimed in with something like "Yeah the WT sucks!"
The outrage and indignation expressed on their behalf by the people behind those doors you preach at speaks reams about youReally? That's interesting. Especially since I don't go door to door.
What have you offered?Hopefully a little balance. You can call me the devil if it makes you feel better.
How you can come to a board like this full of molestation and rape survivors and spew your Watchtower filth is totally beyond me.I'm starting to think a lot of things are "beyond" you.
:You got it all wrong again. Repentance is only of value when it is genuine and rendered in godly fear.
Oh, you must really be mystical then Greg. Here you are indirectly claiming to read the hearts of others as a voodoo priest would. I agree that 'Repentance is only of value when it is genuine and rendered in godly fear', because God has nothing to do with it. (I realize this is not what you meant, but I used the term "godly" in a different way than you talk about in my 'suckian language') :
I cannot read hearts, dear. If reading hearts were required, then the Christian congregation would not be able to reinstate or allow anyone to be a part of it. all we have to go by are fruits of repentance. Until a person proves that she is irreformable, we continue to lovingly deal with her.
:Since you already acknowledge the authorities as superior, why not encourage the elders to allow the ones professionally trained to deal with the situation handle the situation, instead of "untrained volunteers"?:
Have you ever heard of the separation of church and state? Are you so faithless so as to doubt Yahweh's ability to qualify his own for his service?
l'kiddush hashem.
Mr dakota:
:Hilda, as usual, you are way out in left field on this one. Currently, the Cathoilic Church is under more fire than any other relgion is over the issue. I openly state many times that the problem is pandemic across all relgious boundaries. But, no one else but the JWs are booting out the child advocates and victims and often, reinstating the pedophile shortly after they are DF'd.:
Your statements about the jw's site and jws in general are misrepresentative. Show us where anyone has been kicked out of jws for being a "child advocate" or a victim of child abuse. It might have happened in rare cases. But this ol' lady can almosty guarantee you that the wrong was in time righted. If Bowen is kicked out--it will not be for his child advocacy, we can assure you. You are just a biggot.
:If there are more cases in another religion, that hardly justifies any cases at all in the JWs. One is one too many!:
We agree. The jw was not justifying cases in the jw religion. You are just twisting facts to suit your own biased fancy.
