Is this new donation arrangement for real?

by nugget 324 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    "I remember the day when the society switched over to the voluntary donation arrangement, and the cong's just stopped asking for a donation from the public. Nothing gets mentioned about that anymore."

    I've also noticed that. Not a talk during service meetings or similar arrangements to tell the publishers to remember to mention the voluntary donation arrangement. Nobody asks, nobody donates. People just take for granted that all the literature is free. Strange - both by the public and by the publishers.

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Blondie said - "There is no accounting, no one knows if they gave or not let alone how much unless they do it by check."

    My prediction is this; (repeating what I said months before this story broke)

    In the UK we have Bank Standing Orders, which when given to the bank, authorises them to send a fixed amount of money from YOUR account to SOMEONE ELSE'S account! Voila!!

    I fully expect the Britain Branch to send a letter to every KH in the UK in the coming months, telling them that this is wonderfully simple way to ensure we don't forget to honour our pledge.

    It's also the "wonderfully simple way" to let the Org and the Elders know who is paying the KH tax and who is not!

    The Pharisees had their Temple Tax - why shouldn't the GB do the same?

  • Frazzled UBM
    Frazzled UBM

    They ar edong two things: (1) centralizing control of the money; and (2) increasing the pressure on the elders to guilt the r&f into contributing more. I think The Searchers suggestion about using monthly recurring payment facilities is a very strong likelihood.

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    For anyone who might still be doubting the new donation arrangement story, please be sure to read Cedars post about it on JWSurvey.org. Cedars and I both have copies of the BOE letter that outlines much of what we have been discussing, but distribution of the letter will be limited somewhat and can not be made widely available for a while. Those of you who are elders should see the letter within the next few days. Those who are not should hear the first page read in the Kingdom Halls sometime near the end of April.

    As to the other details - some are included in the 3-page attachment to the BOE letter, but none of that will be shared with the rank and file, and maybe not with all elders - only those with major assignments.

    So just to clear things up - the BOE letter is real The 3 page attachment is real. Changes are definitely going to take place.

    What I have shared here from my insider contacts (who will forever remain anonymous for obvious reasons) includes some conjecture and suppositions, but they are based on documents and conversations with insiders deep within the Watchtower headquarters. So some of those things may turn out to be true, and some may never occur. At this point even the insiders can't be sure - much of it is based on rumors.

    The one thing those of us who have been around the block with the JWs over the years can be sure of is this: Jehovah's Witnesses love to gossip. If they are in the know, they will want to share it with someone. Being in the know is seen as having stature in the congregation - that's why elderettes are great sources of inside information. I learned more about what was going on in our Kingdom Hall by riding in a car full of elders' wives than from any Watchtower or Informant bulletin. The same applies to volunteers working in Bethel and Watchtower HQ. They love to share inside knowledge with their friends and family. Even those who work clerical jobs will hear or see confidential information in their offices - and the odds are that some will share what they know with their friends. So there is always a small stream of information that gets out before the official announcements are made.

    So let's enjoy what we can find out from whatever insider sources we might have. Some information will be wrong. Some will be changed before implementation. Some will be changed because we knew it first and now the WT wants to make us all look like idiots.

    I personally believe that most of the higher level Watchtower managers spend a lot of time reading this forum and several other major JW discussion websites. In fact, one of my insider contacts told me that JWN was one of the sites that almost everyone at HQ visits at least once a week. I can see hits from the Watchtower's IP addresses on my websites and AAWA.co all the time - as is the case with JWSurvey.

    So don't be too quick to discount occasional reports of insider informatiion. Just expect that some of it won't pan out - just like rumors and news on TV and radio and the Internet regarding political moves and entertainer gossip.

    JV

  • emeth
    emeth

    Our congregation has U$42,000 on the local bank account. But what is the benefit of having money sleeping on the shelf of local congregations? It would be much better if this money is going to be used where there is a need.

    so there are about 114,000 congregations a lot of them have a small or bigger surplus,.. make a pile of that money and you get a mountain.

  • cultBgone
    cultBgone

    Emeth, yours is a good point. Money sitting on a shelf is not beneficial. So why can't that money be used LOCALLY where there is a need rather than being sent off to unknown bank accounts controlled at a level where the people like you who donated have it no say over its use? Why can't local congregations decide for themselves to use their own donated funds to fix up their hall, or to help needy widows who don't receive pensions, etc.?

    jws brag/preach that no donation plates are passed while they put down churches who tithe, yet jws will be held to binding documents requiring that specific congregations donate specific amounts of money. Just like the catholic and many baptist churches require ten percent donations of gross household income. Doesn't matter that jws don't require 10% (yet) because locking someone into forced giving is... a tithe. So much for jws giving from the heart.

    Those funds are never truly accounted for, and you have no idea who is benefitting from that money other than vague promises of "oh, yes, we're building khs in another country" which you cannot verify, btw. In actuality, those funds are quite often invested in ways that you would be told are risky and wrong, like hedge funds.

    We've all given money to the WT even when we may not have had enough for ourselves, because we were told it was the right thing to do for God. But those funds are not truly being used for charitable purposes to help PEOPLE, they are being used as the GB decides to invest in real estate which YOU will never benefit from, or get to use. Those funds are being used to build a financial empire.

    In NO WAY does this match taking collections for feeding and sheltering Jesus' disciples or caring for needy widows. Only the GB and their slaves are being fed and sheltered, and sometimes the widows of the GB. The rest of us out here in the real world get hammered to provide donations but are not helped by them. Instead we're told not to worry about providing for our families by getting decent educations, just make enough to get by because the end is coming (everyone join in here) SOON! And those poor Bethel slaves don't get diddly if they leave Bethel, even though they give away the best years of their young lives to print magazines which end up in the trash 90% of the time. Where's the love in that? Why aren't some of those donated funds used to give them a start out the door as a kind thank-you?

    Jesus wouldn't tolerate the situation that's going on in the WTS, so there is no way is he running the jw show. Jesus would be overturning the tables and shaking this WTS org to its core. People need to wake up and really examine the actions of the WTS and not sit back and accept their own words in their own magazines. That's like asking a robber if he's a robber and expecting him to admit it. If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's a duck...err, financial scheme. It's not worship of God, it doesn't involve Jesus, and it's not helping mankind.

    May all good-hearted people wake up to TTATT.

    (((hugs)))

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    JV2: What I have shared here from my insider contacts (who will forever remain anonymous for obvious reasons) includes some conjecture and suppositions, but they are based on documents and conversations with insiders deep within the Watchtower headquarters. ... At this point even the insiders can't be sure - much of it is based on rumors.

    A note of caution, one of the ways that paranoid, high-control organizations suss out the moles is by deliberately planting rumors. They will give one rumor to one suspected source and a different one to another and so on. This way, when they get feedback from the rumor mills, they can trace it back to its source because THEY started the rumor and they know what they told to whom!

  • metatron
    metatron

    Yes, beware of counterintelligence ploys by the Society - especially when posting documents. Little differences in text can be used to trace leaks.

    That said, I am delighted to hear that the Governing Body may be 'listening to the counsel of Hushai and following the path of Rehoboam"

    metatron

  • Rattigan350
    Rattigan350

    "I haven't donated a cent in over a year."

    Oh really? I haven't donated in 14 years. I don't see why people still do.

    Oh, they believe that it is part of 'keep seeking first the kingdom'. But how is it that they draw the connection between the congregation and the kingdom?

    What recently upset me is that there is a letter on the information board about how they have raised over 3 million for the West Georgia assembly hall. No work has been done on that yet. They are just raising money and making plans. But now that the circuit assemblies are 1 day. There is no need for a new assembly hall. But people just follow along and donate and get excited. I read a story in the newspaper about how a local county has an animal shelter that has to kill animals because they don't have enough resources to care for them. Animal shelters can use that money more than assembly halls. There is an ad on this page after I posted this message for the ASPCA and its need for donations.

  • hoser
    hoser

    the watchtower wants their cake and they want to eat it too. When a congregation is dissolved and a Kingdom Hall is liquidated they have the nearest congregation take over ownership and pay all the bills and the costs of getting it ready for sale. As soon as it is sold the watchtower organisation demands that the entire proceeds of the sale be sent to them instead of reimbursing the local congregation for its expenses incurred while owning the decommissioned Kingdom Hall.

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