JV2 Yup, like I said, the good, the bad and the ugly, just like any other profession.
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How evil are lawyers?
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Band on the Run
Too many people judge someone by unfair terms. I would place value in an independent panel of lawyers grading one of their own. Martindale-Hubbell came up with the idea a long time ago.
FDR was a lawyer. So was John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Abraham Lincoln. Unless there is something not revealed on posts, no one here can say whether someone is evil Evil goes to a moral state beyond mere incompetence. I don't grade brain surgeons.
Why would anyone start such a thread? I am so tired of ignorance on this forum. Lawyers work very long hours. They care about their clients. Teaching would be easy. Most professions would be easy. Why would anyone go to school the extra years to learn a profession if they are viewed as evil?
You can have opinions. Just acknowledge that you have no background on which to base your opinions.
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Interesting split of victorious lawsuit:
Buffalo Bills Will Pay Up to $3M to Settle Text-Messaging Lawsuit
By Tyler Conway, Featured Columnist
Apr 22, 2014
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In 2014, Buffalo Bills starting quarterback EJ Manuel will cost the team $2.02 million against their cap. Thanks to a lawsuit from a disgruntled fan, the Bills will pay roughly $1 million more than that just for their phone bill.
A U.S. District judge has issued a preliminary approval to a $3 million settlement in a 2012 class-action lawsuit filed against the team by Jerry Wojcik, a Bills fan who claimed the franchise violated the agreement of its opt-in texting service.
According to Stephen T. Watson of The Buffalo News, the suit claims the Bills promised no more than five text messages would be disseminated to fans each week. When Wojcik received 13 texts over a two-week span, he filed suit on behalf of the nearly 40,000 fans who subscribed to the service.
The settlement, which will be paid out in gift cards to the team store or the team's website, was approved in a Tampa Bay, Fla., court last week. Up to $2.5 million in vouchers will go to the estimated 39,750 fans who signed up for the service. Theremaining funds will be distributed to Wojcik's attorneys ($562,500) and the plaintiff himself ($5,000).
Bills spokesman Scott Berchtold issued a statement on behalf of the team Tuesday, indicating it still felt it was within the spirit of the program:
The Buffalo Bills have reached a settlement in this matter which we believe is in the best interest of our organization and our fans. The purpose of the Bills’ voluntary, opt-in text messaging program was to provide our fans with information they requested about the team. The organization maintains that our text messaging program was in compliance with the law.
The Bills have since eliminated the text service, which was designed to provide breaking news and other stories to fans. Wojcik's suit claims he received six text messages the first week with the service and seven the second—three more than the allotted agreement states over a two-week span—and says the Bills violated the Telephone Consumer Protection Act.
As per the settlement agreement, fans will receive debit-card vouchers for $57.50, $65 or $75, which can be redeemed at the team store or online at the team's website. A hearing has been set up for Aug. 20 for the settlement to reach final approval. Those who signed up for the service will then be contacted by mail and via phone to claim their prize.
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While many have deplored Wojcik for the frivolousness of the suit, criticized his finicky, letter-of-the-law interpretation and hounded him about wasting taxpayer money, others may feel the opposite.
In the same way that Stella Liebeck once crusaded against McDonald's for those who did not know hot coffee was, indeed, hot, Mr. Wojcik is a pioneer against professional sports organizations who do not realize three-to-five is not, indeed, five-to-seven.
Anyway, considering how Bills fans have faithfully supported the franchise across 14 straight seasons of missing the playoffs, maybe they deserve a win for once. At the very least we should see plenty more EJ Manuel jerseys in Ralph Wilson Stadium next season.
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talesin
Wow, the lawmakers have to change something. That is the stupidest lawsuit I have heard of since the McDonald's hot coffee one. smh
So, a brain surgeon malpractices you, and you can't sue him unless another doctor testifies against him. Life ruined. You spill hot coffee on yourself, or receive 13 texts instead of 10, and there's a lawsuit. What a messed-up system! Can't blame the lawyers for that, they are only taking advantage of stupid laws. But then, as BOTR said, many of the lawMAKERS (ie, politicians) are lawyers .............. hmmmmm.
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RubaDub
I once saw a lawyer in the restroom at Home Depot putting Super Glue on a toilet seat.
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LV101
Thank you for allowing opinions here, Band.
I know many who went to law school and absolutely hated the profession - some bailed and went into real estate - another became a stockbroker. It happens and is reality. Reality isn't what you pretend it is.
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LV101
I also know a couple of went into business - doing great BTW!
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talesin
Thanks, jgnat, for presenting the facts.
So, about $600,000 for the coffee (which is more reasonable considering the details and injuries), but you can't sue for brain damage from malpractice.
There is no such thing as 'justice' ......... ha, well, that is something I've known all my life, but it didn't hit home as strong until one of my friends was a victim (brain surgery).
I have no beef with lawyers, they only exericse their skills at law. The lawmakers bear the brunt of my dissatisfaction with the way these things work.My real anger is with the medical profession and the governments who allow them to self-regulate. At least in the USA, they have the State's Attorney General's office (I may have the term wrong, but Americans will know what I mean), but here? Nothing. No advocate, no ombudsman, NO ONE who will question what doctors do except the College of Physicians and Surgeons. What a farce!
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I was told by a defense lawyer to never, ever sue a doctor no matter how compelling the case b/c American doctors can choose their patients. The insurance companies have a list that doctors can access. They sued for facial pain and a botched surgery. Money can't buy you medical care. There should be a state agency that licenses doctors and other health professionals.
Cash is nicer but I have filed claims with the state. In NY, the term is professional misconduct. Even if the states finds no malfeasance, the creep will most likely have to hire a lawyer and carve out time for his practice to answer the claim. I only do it in extreme cases. When I reported a dentist, I heard that they absolutely believed everything I wrote. I can only guess is that a patient ahead of me filed a complaint about the same matter. There was so much overreaching involved.
I don't know why but as soon as my illness moved over to medicine I was dealing with saner people. A treatment emerged, too.
In New York, the only profession that is allowed to be self-policing is lawyers. There is heavy regulation of everyone else.
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