Iq Do Not Measure Natural Intelligentia (larc) (page 3)

waiting

Howdy larc,

Interestingly enough, my prof. said basically the same thing you have said. Psych. tests are tools. and Different tests tend to point to different aspects of the individual.

Ted Bundy, for instance. A test to try and determine his mental capabilities would probably show he was quite intelligent. From what I've read about him.....he was.

Now a test to show a propensity towards violence, towards hatred of women, towards aggression, towards the other dozen things he had going violently for him......might have shown up these things. However, being highly intelligent....he may have tricked the tests.

Afterall, the tests are subjective - and I've not read where any professional thinks the tests are foolproof. Just guides - or tools, as you've said.

Interestingly, IQ tests used to be given to immigrants while still on Ellis Island in the early decades of this century. Not so amazingly, many didn't do well. Being foreign, little English, totally different background......many were labeled because of these things, which has nothing to do with the innate intelligence.

Btw, I would assume that you're familiar with the BITCH test? We studied about that one too

Always enjoy your posts.

waiting

Hello Imbue,

Unfortunately, it seems that many here that have taken one psych course or have been in a psych ward as a patient think they can diagnose someone.

I don't know the "many" that you refer to - as you didn't identify who you were speaking about. Perhaps you could be more specific?

Only a medical Doctor and preferably a Psychiatrist has that privilege.

I absolutely agree - only a [b]medical doctor, qualified therapist, psychiatrist, or psychologist should be disgnosing persons. Personally, I don't think any of the above should be doing it here seriously - as we see only one view of a person.

Psych 101 students don't...

I'm taking Abnormal Psych. (103) next semester. Are you saying then I will be capable of diagnosing persons? No? Then what about other college students - should they be diagnosing persons in real life or on the web?

I'm not referring to you waiting but some others here...lol

Ill defined insults are still insults. But at least you left me out of it. Appreciate that.

waiting

larc

Waiting,

For someone like Ted Bundy, clinical diagnostic tests would be more likely to identify him. Such tests would include the MMPI, which has a Psycopathic Deviate Scale, the Rorschach, a more qualitative measure, but useful in the hands of an expert, and the Hand Test, a projective measure of acting out tendencies.

By the way, I am glad that I am getting some validation from what your prof is telling you.

Imbue

Waiting,

I wasn't referring to you..I've never seen you do that but certainly you can recall when some here have named called with diagnosis...Your comment only made me think about them. It wasn't you I was referring to. I would find it strange for someone to be insulted when it is pointed out that they don't have the education, expertise or the license to make a medical diagnosis. It is not my problem but their problem they didn't go to medical school. I'm only making an observation about behavior.

Oddly enough someone brought my comment up on this thread. Reading it may clarify my thought for you. I write very concise and perhaps it's because I hate writing. I only realized how it maybe taken personally by you after this post at Kent's. Sorry if you took it that way. It was not about you at all.

http://kent.steinhaug.com/forum/showthread.php?s=ebf85d5929a5d284ec914d1cdf1f2922&threadid=401

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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
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waiting

Howdy Imbue,

I understand you weren't including me - thank you. I may think someone is wacked.....but usually have the presence of mind not to type it.

As for taking college courses - well, to learn is to expand, right? And if we learn, then never discuss it, use it, etc., seems of limited use, eh? I think the discussion of what we learn is almost as good as learning it in the first place. Why else would the professors encourage us to discuss subjects in class - to learn from each other. Why would there be study groups - if not to learn from each other?

I agree with you wholeheartedly that a person who isn't a certified professional - of a high degree - shouldn't be diagnosing persons. I also followed your click - and agree with your comments.

Interestingly enough, I was invited to a lecture by my therapist one evening given by the woman who wrote that sexual abuse book & was sued for it (don't recall name of book now). Many therapists were there, along with students who were majoring in psych.

Some of the comments were very good - some of them were ass stupid, particularily from the students who were majors - but thought they were already doctors. A couple of victims who ran groups also made comments that in no way would stand up legally - which others showed.

Btw - I agree with you on the writing of prescriptions, etc. When a nurse writes one using the doctor's license - he must trust that person a lot. A learned trust. I also agree that a good nurse sometimes will correctly diagnose a patient faster than a doctor. But that doesn't make him/her a doctor - as you pointed out.

Thanks for not making this a war - not necessary on my part. Enjoy this thread a lot.

waiting

larc

Imbue,

I would like to clarify one point. I Clinical Psychologists can make psychological diagnoses and do it all the time. It the Psychologists that developed Psychological Tests, after all. No, pyschologist would make a diagnosis based on internet correspondence, and none would share their opinions about someone in everyday life, without the proper assessment in a clinical setting, and then they would share this opinion only with other professionals on a need to know basis only. Now, I don't know who you think is making such diagnoses? Perhaps, you should share that with us. If a person diagnoses here, then this should be brought out in the open, whether they have a two year associate's degree or a PhD. I think it is your responsibility to explain exactly what has been said, that is a breach of ethics.

waiting

hi larc!

By the way, I am glad that I am getting some validation from what your prof is telling you. - larc

wellllll, yeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.............

Of course I'm gonna believe two men over one man! I've been divorced, & worked exclusively with men for almost 30 years! Duh.

waiting

Imbue

Larc, I wasn't referring to you either so calm down!!! I only said medical DX if you follow the link perhaps it will clarify it for you. All disciplines have their own DX.

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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)

larc

Imbue,

You also said that some here were using psychological diagnostic terms. If a person who does this, but does not claim any professional credentials, then there is nothing that can be done about it, exept to point out to them that it is inappropriate. However, if someone claims to have credentials of any sort and then engages in psychobabel here, they are on dangerous ground, again, at any level of formal education. If a person presents themselves as a mental health professional, then they should conduct themselves as such, at least when using such terminology. Imbue, this a hot button with me, because I have seen many cases of people with minimal qualifications misrepresenting their credentials. I have seen others with minimal qualifications do shoddy work, and shoddy work does harm.

Imbue

I'll sum it up for you Larc but you should really read the link.

imbue says:

I just was saying people with a couple of psych courses have a new vocabulary and they think they can DX people on a discussion board...LOL It doesn't make them sound intelligent at all. It only reveals their stupidity!

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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)

Iq Do Not Measure Natural Intelligentia (larc)

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