When we die... (page 9)

cofty

Looks like I need to start a "single malt whisky" thread.

Chalam

"Chalem - Good to see ya here - I'm going to read thru your recent posts to find the movie you're referring to.

LV"

Here you go LV :)

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/heavenisforreal/

Stephen

pacloc

I wasn't really talking to anyone in particular with my second statement, I definitely was not trying to say what I thought you believed in.

But you were. I don't believe in God and you presumed to attempt to tell me what I beleived in and worshipped. I was exactly the target of that. Why do you presume you have the knowledge and experience to tell me what I worship, think or believe?

You are getting upset at me for telling you what you believe, yet you are doing the very thing you are accusing me of by saying that for a fact I was refering to you with my statement. I was not refering to you, I did not even know you did not believe in God. But to address your claims, I do in fact believe you attribute some part of creation as your God, if you claim not to believe in the God of Abraham. Even if it is yourself.

Just trying to defend God's Justice against that of pure chance and despair.

Mistakenly making claims about what others believe when there is absolutely no way you could know that is not a good start. Feel free to start a thread on it!

But you do know absolutely what I don't know? Why are you absolutely right about that? Your reasoning is flawed.

As for your questions about spirits, no angels and demons are creatures like us humans in the sense that they have free will and have been given Divine Spirit.

But the Bible claims they are spirits. Are you claiming that is just metaphorical? Are they invisible flesh? What are they made of? I ask this because angels, demons, God, Jesus, etc., are traditionally called spirits, non-flesh. If spirit is metaphorical, then what ARE they made of? Also, if the Holy spirit IS spirit, you STILL have yet to tell me what it's made of.

You left out the rest of my statement that covered your question. They are God's creations, and like us have free will. They do not have a physical body so they are not made up of anything that we could describe in physical terms. I don't claim to know much about the angels other than what is revealed in scripture and through Church Tradition. We simply don't know much other than they live in another realm that doesn't have matter, as matter is just another creation of God's. I think it is hard for people to imagine how God does not exist in space or time, so creations of his don't really need to make sense to us in order for them to exist. I am simply explaining that the Spirit in creation is actually God.

You aren't answering the question, you're just answering it with another mystery.

I think I am answering the question, but you don't understand the ideas.

You don't want to fall into the mistake of calling the Holy Spirit electricity like the JWs, that is why we call it a person of the Trinity.

Your explanation is no better. They are like us, but not, it's emotions and intent except when it's not. You aren't saying, you're just talking in circles without telling what any of these things are.

Circles are at least complete, you have offered nothing to the matter. I know for a fact that the JWs view of the Holy Spirit is wrong because it fails in all ways, both scientifically (since it cannot be proven through experiment) and scripturely/theologically. You need to read up on the subject if you think that the traditional views are at the same level of the JWs blasphemies. You should reread all that I have said a few times, and read the Bible. You will see that in scripture and today in everyday language we speak of the spirit of things in a different way than when we talk about the Spirit of God.

cofty

How else do you explain the wicked that are rewarded for their evil and the righteous that are punished for their good? - pacloc

That's easy - Shit happens.

No god's, spirits, angels or demons. No resurrection or afterlife.

This life is amazing. It is not a rehearsal, it's the only one you or I will ever have.

LV101

"That's easy - Shit happens." Cofty being articulate again. This life is so amazing we just can't get enough and it's difficult for us to think this is the big show. We want the moon, stars and live forever and ever and we want what we want. We can't (or refuse) give up hope -- that's the hard part.

We've wasted time in this 'amazing' life chasing fantasies/religion and that's sad, indeed. There are no time outs and if there's no live forever we need to accept reality.

Wishin' & a Hopin' - something like that.

LV101

Stephen - Here I go.

Thanks for linking for me - appreciate your help.

Sorry for mispelling 'Chalam' earlier - meant to correct and hit the 'Submit' button to fast.

LV

LV101

ooops - that should say too fast not to fast. Braindead/tired.

LisaRose

Right here, right now, this moment. It's all you have and all you ever have had, so make the most of it. Cherish your family and friends, enjoy the moment, live, laugh, love.

Lisa

LV101

Stephen - few questions. This is the same heaven visit I heard about on the xtian radio station and they were interviewing the parents right after the child's had relayed his experience to his parents.

Do you know whether or not the child's father is a preacher/minister? Seems he was - or is? Also, the interviewer asked the father whether the child had possibly overheard the parents discussing the miscarriage of the baby sister - which the father admitted he knew something about.

Do they reveal any of this in the movie? I want to see the movie and should have listened to the rest of the interview but didn't believe it - what do I know! The truth is hard to believe sometimes.

I've heard the Catholic (Immaculate Heart Radio) station mentioning the account about heaven (and movie) to callers - seems they were promoting along with a call for Catholics to 'Come Home'. I really don't pay much attn. other than listening to this one family shrink when I'm driving one morning a week. I will try to find out his website and any info about movie.

Viviane

You are getting upset at me for telling you what you believe, yet you are doing the very thing you are accusing me of by saying that for a fact I was refering to you with my statement. I was not refering to you, I did not even know you did not believe in God.

Again, wrong. I am not upset with you. However, the people YOU said you were addressing is a group I am part of. Therefore, you were addressing me. I get that it is uncomfortable for you to encounter the subject of your derision, but no one made you write that. You addressed me, so now explain how you know me well enough to declare for me what I believe.

But you do know absolutely what I don't know? Why are you absolutely right about that? Your reasoning is flawed.

Yes. You don't know me at all. My reasoning is 100% spot on. Unless, of course, you ARE claiming to know methat well in which case you must prove it. What color bra am I wearing, if you know me so well?

They do not have a physical body so they are not made up of anything that we could describe in physical terms. I don't claim to know much about the angels other than what is revealed in scripture and through Church Tradition.

You simulaneously claim to know what spirit is and then pretend you just didn't claim to know what it is. You are saying nothing but meaninless circular platitudes. If you know, it's a simple question. What is spirit made of?

I think I am answering the question, but you don't understand the ideas.

You haven't said anything except to deny what you said. Try again. What is spirit made of?

Circles are at least complete, you have offered nothing to the matter. I know for a fact that the JWs view of the Holy Spirit is wrong because it fails in all ways, both scientifically (since it cannot be proven through experiment) and scripturely/theologically.

Circles are complete what? You finished nothing and explained nothing. Your explanation is at least as circular and flawed as the one you mock. You just use different meaningless words. And please, you insult the idea of science when you use the word.

Once again, what is spirit made of?

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