Good points
One thing about this site that bothers me
by keyser soze 84 Replies latest jw friends
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LoisLane looking for Superman
K.S. Point taken. I have used that term I am sure in some of my 2,000 + posts. I did not mean to be cruel or insensitive. I know some window washers. One is very bright. He should have pursued Uni. His name is Jon. His parents paid for a private school education, but of course, being a good son and JW drone, seat warmer, at 18 he started pioneering and started his own business cleaning, including window washing. My ex and I would help him for free sometimes, because he seemed so tired and needed a break. He moved across country to pio . He married and lives far from here. I had been with him when he ran into a high school class mate . Hey Jon, what are you doing??? He was embarrassed. He picked a wife and is an Elder dud. His wife is a bit@h. He doesn't seem like the old Jon I knew.
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Oubliette
Keyser, you have a valid complaint when such terms are used in a derogatory way as a generalization about all JWs. But it is also valid to point out that the WTBTS often directs elders to get involved in situations for which they are grossly unqualified.
I have nothing against someone working a blue-collar job. Good, honest work is fine. But the problems begin when someone that is a janitor, window-washwer or whatever tries to counsel someone with deep-seated emotional issues. The fact that the WTBTS encourages this is really criminal. They cause a lot of unnecessary damage to people that are in need of serious help from properly educated and trained, qualified professionals.
It's tantamount to practicing medicine without a license. For reasons that seem incomprehensible to me, it is not illegal as long as they are members of a religion and to not represent themselves as licensed "psychologists" or similar.
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HeyThere
i have to say that the kh i go to seems to have many middle class with good jobs, very nice homes, and several of them have pricier cars likeloaded camaros and cadillacs. we do live in a yuppier area so i am sure that makes a difference as well. with that said, some of them have those blue collar jobs and are doing well.
i have caught myself being a job snob before...not here but in life...and then catch myself and remind myself that i was once the_____ and we need all these roles
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Apognophos
By coincidence, I had worked with one of the cleaners several decades earlier as a cleaner and I knew from my family he was still an active JW. He had to clean my office. Boy was he super nice to me when I arrived early in the morning. I loved that my name and position were on the door and he politely asked me by name if he could clean the room.
Wow, interesting. Does he remember you? I wonder what goes through his mind, if he does.
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hamsterbait
At one time the menial jobs were done by people who were too uneducated or stupid to do anything else. Those times are gone.
However most born ins become window washers because they are happy with the "eggychashion" they get from the Asleep rag (equivalent to a college degree no less)
Most references are in threads to do with things like blood, transplants, going to college - I dont want an uneducated person advising me on life critical issues. If I need surgery or advice I go to somebody qualified to tell me what's what. It is what the word EXPERT tells us, as opposed to AMATEUR, cheese and cracker waiter, or window washer. (If I need advice on my windows or need catering I will go to a professional)
Even bible translations list the staff doing the work - not out of vanity but to assure the reader that they know what they are doing. (NOT so with NWT - how did marshmallow instead of mallow come to be in Job?)
Window washing is honorable work (my first job after university was cleaning) but most born in dubs do it instead of getting educated. NOT the same thing as doing it because you have NO CHOICE.
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OnTheWayOut
Any kind of employment or self-employment can be honorable.
While I won't disagree with the opening post, I think it's mostly a way for ex-JW's to laugh at themselves as they look back at their lifestyle and that of the average dub. I worked janitorial work for several years as a dub. It was a common way of life because it was mostly at night, allowing members to attend all meetings and do the door-to-door recruiting in the daytime.
There were also a bunch of JW's that did automobile pinstriping. Many also sold things to other dubs, be it Avon, health products, or Amway products.
I just lump it in with the unique way JW's lived. Smurfs, no birthday cake, window washing, 4-door sedans.
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cantleave
Agreed. Great OP
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FlyingHighNow
I always hear, work smart. If you make 100 an hour washing windows, it's more sensible than working for $20, doing that job you need a degree for, if you enjoy it and you pay your quarterlies. Nothing wrong with humble work.
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FlyingHighNow
The world has a warped idea of what is valuable. Every job has value. There is a person for each kind of job.