Surprise Surprise. Got a letter from bethel today.,

by label licker 54 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  label licker

  Husband is df'd for a no show. Five hours later around midnight that same evening, the elders called to say they had a five hour meeting and decided to df him. They had nothing on him. I was publically reproved for what I wrote earlier on. I called the co for they had us both df'd at the end of the lane yet I wasn't there. The co said he would call them and reschedule another day and time for my jc. After my jc was over, I called the co and asked to appeal their decision. The one elder on my jc had to get back to me to see if I could appeal it and said if I tried then I would be df'd for it. I called the co and he said you can't appeal a public reproof so I asked him to df me. He said he wasn't going to get involved and that he was leaving it up to the elder since they know best. Then when I told him I had taped my jc, he said hey wait a minute, if you give me that tape, maybe I can help you if they did something wrong. I didn't do it for in one breath he couldn't help me and yet in another breath he could.

  I do need help though. I wrote out my jc word for word yet my husband said Simone doesn't need pages and pages of it on his site. Quite a few of you have stated that you would rather read it since tape recordings can get muffled out. So what can I do for I want it out there but need help
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  label licker

  My husband is willing to put it on if someone knows of a better idea. He catches on quick to what you tell him so hopfully someone can help. Here goes nothing for we have nothing else to lose. We're looking at possibly relocating and starting fresh with no family or friends. Well, one set and the elders are after them too. We have no children and live out in the country where it's quiet, sometimes too quiet. Thinking of moving where my family is located so I can at least see them visually from time to time. I know they won't have anything to do with us but what can I do? I can visit my handicap sister who is in a home and if I move down there then I will volunteer to keep busy. Hubby wants to see me happy again and is willing to move need be.
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  Quarterback

  LL, I don't know about what happened, but your family can't stop talking to you if you are publicly reproved. Moving close to your family is probably a good thing, since it gives you a measure of happiness. At least, start doing that, and the rest will fall into place.
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  label licker

  Quarterback, all we did was stop going to our meetings. That was all. We knew what the elders were covering up and they knew we knew so they had to act on impulse. After they did what they did to us then we started looking on the net and found this and it was all these other stories and sites that gave us the strength to deal with what we had just been through. We know for sure it's a cult. Wish we could meet all of you in person:)
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  label licker

  And Data Dog you are so right. I don't know how the transcript could be screwed up for it's word for word for word. Nothing added and nothing taken away. What was added was put in brackets like they do with their bibles. Boy, they sure don't like it when someone else does it, do they?It was stated right at the beginning that the comments in brackets were mine and these are the comment I would have rather given but they would have disfellowshipped me for sure. I would have been telling the truth which they didn't want to hear. Even when I told them about a sister getting caught stealing and admitting it and then blaming it on her husband, the elder turns around and says he doesn't care. I knew my goose was cooked. I was about to bring up the guy who smashed in his wife's car and threatened to blow off her head waving a loaded gun in her face and they said I couldn't talk about it. I was done.
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  label licker

  And notice, bethel couldn't even call me, they had to send me a letter in the mail. I guess they are really scared that I will tape that too. And you know what, I will if they ever do call. I guarantee you that if a jw ever steps on my property, they will be charged again and again. I would love for this other elder to try stalking me like he did for the whole summer last year. He was rollerblading past our house every day, I even caught him and his son at the end of our lane trying to look up the lane. As soon as they were caught, they would take off. We asked them why they were doing this and they said we had the smoothest roads for rollarblading. Really??? I was stupid enough to believe it.
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  OUTLAW

  Dear XXXX,

  We are now able to respond to the material you brought to our office regarding the decision of a committee of the XXX Congregation involving you.

  The alleged transcript you provided was reviewed but was of limited usefulness.

  The transcript may be Phony!

  The numerous parenthetical additions you made to the alleged dialogue and "hyour" deletion of all bible texts read during the hearing undermined it's reliability.

  It`s still an alleged transcript,they don`t believe you!..Deleating bible texts undermines it`s reliability!..Unlike Glaring spelling errors..

  Further if you recorded the hearing such recording was done surreptitiously and without the consent of the witnesses and elders.

  When one party secretly tapes a conversation, he or she has an unfair advantage in any after the fact review of that conversation.

  It`s unfair to tape a WBT$/JW Kangaroo Court!..

  True, it is not enjoyable to be counseled or disciplined, (Heb. 12:5, 5,11) Yet, as discussed in The Watchtower of April 15, 2014 pages 28 and 30, it is good to think about the efforts made by those who offer counsel.

  Wait!!..You don`t believe the Tape is real!..How do you know if it`s good Counsel?!..

  The elders evidently spent much time and effortto help you restore your reltionship with Jehovah God.

  But..You don`t believe the evidence! ..WTF??!!..Do you know what spell check is?!

  We now encourage you to take positive steps to 'return to the shepherd and overseer of your soul,'by regularly attending the meetings of the local congregation.--Hebrews 10:24,25; 1Peter2:24.

  We assure you of our concern for your spiritual well-being

  Your brothers

  Is that like "Shut The F**K Up and Stop Writing the WBT$!...??!!

  .................................................................................................OUTLAW
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  kaik

  LisaRose, you are absolutely right. You can be DFs even when you question some actions on elders. I knew case when a person agreed with a speech of CO while elderds did not and that person was DFs with word that it is not important what CO had to say at the convention, but what WT say is true. I also know a case when a guy insisted on JC to go over specific doctrine with a bible and elders disagreed. He was booted out from the cult right there to his very big suprise.
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  sarahsmile

  I just laughed at everyone's replies! The following quote is just crazy Bethel writing!

  First they stated: " We now encourage you to take positive steps to 'return to the shepherd and overseer of your soul,'by regularly attending the meetings of the local congregation.--Hebrews 10:24,25; 1Peter2:24."

  Which means: Shut up,stop bothering us, take it up with the elders,and get your physical ass back to the meetings. As Out Law mentioned! And here are few scriptures to manipulating your emotions and get YOU to believe it is by love and good deeds!

  Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. They know you will read: 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, "

  We assure you of our concern for your spiritual well-being."

  Which means: We,bethel, dicks, have control of YOUR life prior to Armageddon, because the Day is approaching! :-)

  MY THOUGHTS: no one cares about anothers "spirtual"well being! Is there such a thing!

  This scripture throws the entire letter off!

  1Peter2:24 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” What the heck! Now, this scripture does not fit anything.

  In fact their above paragraph "shepherd" sounds like elders and overseers!! Once again they tried taking the place of Jesus yet pretend to believe Jesus bore Your sins! Who ever wrote this letter contradicts himself! Otherwise he is saying who cares what the elders said because Jesus bore your sins. If you believe Jesus is the shepherd of your soul there would be no reason to go to elders meetings for counsel. But if you do not believe that Jesus is the shepherd of your soul than you need to go to overseers of your soul,meetings. They did not write this scripture for nothing!

  One more kast thought:

  By acknowledging: When one party secretly tapes a conversation, he or she has an unfair advantage in any after the fact review of that conversation.

  It would appear that bethel is not going to take up legal action considering you confirmed you have such taped conversation. I would put the recording on YouTube for all to here and post the letters!
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  Fernando

  In the end you are always wrong no matter how right you are, and they are always right no matter how wrong they are.

  Classic arrogant apostate ruling religious clergy class who raise themselves above a supposed laity class.

  (Proverbs 17:15) . . .Anyone pronouncing the wicked one righteous and anyone pronouncing the righteous one wicked—even both of them are something detestable to Jehovah.