by label licker 54 Replies latest watchtower scandals
I do need help though. I wrote out my jc word for word yet my husband said Simone doesn't need pages and pages of it on his site. Quite a few of you have stated that you would rather read it since tape recordings can get muffled out. So what can I do for I want it out there but need help.
Why don't you start a blog? It doesn't cost anything, and that way you can do a link from here, if any one wants to read the transcript, and you can add other things that happen.
When one party secretly tapes a conversation, he or she has an unfair advantage in any after the fact review of that conversation.
How on God's green earth does a recording of a conversation provide any advantage to one party or the other in an "after-the-fact review"? Most court proceedings these days are recorded. Does that mean that either the prosecution or defense have an advantage over the other? The only person it provides an advantage to is an independent third party who wants to gain an accurate understanding of what was said.
However, "unfair advantages" in a judicial proceeding might be seen by some as including:
- not being able to have legal representation or an advocate
- not having access to, or full knowledge of, the legal/judicial standards and processes used to determine your guilt or innocence.
It's not like the elders prevent you from having representation or an advocate, or that they restrict you from reading the judicial committee instructions included in the "Shepherd the Flock" book.
I have just one question I didn't see addressed here: WHY COULDN'T THEY SAY WHAT THEY WANTED IF THEY WERE BEING RECORDED? I believe that is what you said one of the elders stated from the beginning when asking you if you had a recording device? They claim to be guided by Holy Spirit, yet they can't be recorded? No, wait, they're guided until they do something totally unscriptural, then all of a sudden they are imperfect men! You are better off without these fools! Go and have a happy life that you deserve. I know it's hard when you've been wronged, but you are giving them too much of your energy, and making them feel important.
Much happiness to you!
Appreciate the comments everyone. It truly is unbelievable when I think of the fill-in circuit overseer sitting there at my jc and accusing me of saying something to him and his wife(she wasn't there) and when I finally stood up to him and said that he was a liar, then and only then did he chuckle and say I was telling the truth and that I really didn't say that to them. And that at the very end of my jc the elders finally admit that society doesn't have all the answers and that our magazines are "magazines of half truths".
They had talked all my accusers, which were all young kiids, in to saying things they couldn't remember. They said they were all under the assumption that I gave them a feeling of not wanting to pioneer six years ago. It was all poorly rehearsed.
One question that will always be in the back of head until I die will be why were we so hated. We minded our own business yet so many times the comments were you have a nice property. This is just the perfect place for parties. We never budged and just bit our tongues or everytime there was a congregation get together, we were always asked to supply the entire hall with meat. Um, no we won't be around that weekend but we would really love to do it and then walk away. I figured bethel got enough out of us and no more.
I realize we all have to move on yet the more voices that are out there for lurkers or anyone thinking of joining, then speak out! I wish I would have found out about before I had joined. Peoples experiences with this cult touch lives and never go away wheather you are a lurker or a victim.
Appreciate the comments everyone. It truly is unbelievable when I think of the fill-in circuit overseer sitting there at my jc and accusing me of saying something to him and his wife(she wasn't there) and when I finally stood up to him and said that he was a liar, then and only then did he chuckle and say I was telling the truth and that I really didn't say that to them. And that at the very end of my jc the elders finally admit that society doesn't have all the answers and that our magazines are "magazines of half truths".
They had talked all my accusers, which were all young kiids, in to saying things they couldn't remember. They said they were all under the assumption that I gave them a feeling of not wanting to pioneer six years ago. It was all poorly rehearsed.
One question that will always be in the back of head until I die will be why were we so hated. We minded our own business yet so many times the comments were you have a nice property. This is just the perfect place for parties. We never budged and just bit our tongues or everytime there was a congregation get together, we were always asked to supply the entire hall with meat. Um, no we won't be around that weekend but we would really love to do it and then walk away. I figured bethel got enough out of us and no more.
I realize we all have to move on yet the more voices that are out there for lurkers or anyone thinking of joining, then speak out! I wish I would have found out about this cult before I had joined. Peoples experiences with this cult touch lives and never go away wheather you are a lurker or a victim.
While there have been a lot of concerns lately about efforts to misuse "wiretapping" laws that forbid any recordings of people without their knowledge, it appears at least a few courts are recognizing how silly that is. Yet another court has now said that secretly recording a conversation -- in this case with an iPhone -- is okay , assuming there was no crime committed with the recording, and the recording was for a legitimate purpose. As the court noted:
"The defendant must have the intent to use the illicit recording to commit a tort of crime beyond the act of recording itself."
That makes sense. The act of recording alone, shouldn't be a criminal act, as it really depends on what is being done with the recording. And, in an age where not only is recording everything easier, but for some becoming standard, requiring permission to record all audio seems like an outdated concept.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100818/17141010676.shtml
Unfair advantage?! LOL!!! It's so unfair when your EXACT words are read back to you! The WTBTS also feels that it is unfair to point out their errors by reading their old literature to them. I mean, how unfair is that?!!? Accurate information gives the person doing research an unfair advantage. Hence the need for leveling the playing field by controlling information. We can't have Corporations at a disadvantage.
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The numerous parenthetical additions you made to the alleged dialogue .... undermined it's reliability
I guess that's why they dropped the parentheses in the NEW New World Translation and just fully integrated their additions so as not to undermine the reliability.
One question that will always be in the back of head until I die will be why were we so hated. We minded our own business yet so many times the comments were you have a nice property.
There doesn't have to be a reason, but probably they sensed you were not drinking the kool-aid, and they can't have that. The comments about your property makes me think there was some jealousy involved, perhaps they were intimidated because you had more money, or at least they thought you did, otherwise why would they expect you to buy everyone meat? People often are jealous of those that have even a little more than they do, and JWs are no better than anyone else in that way.
