When people willfully believe something without evidence, or contrary to evidence, are they neglecting thier moral responsibility? So many people say faith is a virtue but I just can't comprehend why anyone would think that.
Is Faith Immoral?
by Coded Logic 82 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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jgnat
I think faith has its' merits.
http://www.ted.com/talks/viktor_frankl_youth_in_search_of_meaning
Let's take romance as an analogy. In the early stages there is plenty of deception on both sides as we present our best selves. There's a fair bit of self-deception too, as our hormones kick in, the rose coloured glasses are firmly installed, and all our evolutionary drive is hurtling us towards coupling and commitment. It is not logical or reasonable, but we do it anyways.
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Coded Logic
Great video jgnat!
Though, I think there is a huge difference between being optimistic or hopeful vs. having faith. Hope can be based off of a probability or likely hood informed by prior events and experiance in ones life. Faith, in the context that Christians use it, cannot. And hope is NOT a belief. Its a desire for a specific outcome. Faith, however, is a belief. Its a perception of reality. It is something you actually think is true without any reason.
As for you romantic scenerio, I'm not convinced that rose colored glass' are a good thing. People experiance a lot of emotional pain and agony because they've had a poor model of how relationships really work. I think it is far more romantic to fall in love with a person for who they are - rather than for who you want them to be.
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jgnat
Aren't faith and hope illogical?
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FlyingHighNow
I have faith that this thread will accomplish nothing more than to send posters with opposite views further into their corners.
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Dis-Member
Let's take romance as an analogy. In the early stages there is plenty of deception on both sides as we present our best selves. There's a fair bit of self-deception too, as our hormones kick in, the rose coloured glasses are firmly installed, and all our evolutionary drive is hurtling us towards coupling and commitment. It is not logical or reasonable, but we do it anyways.
That usually only applies to young naive and often inexperienced teenagers. Not mature, experienced and critical thinking persons. I mean when was the last time you 'hurtled towards coupling'?
Between blind love and blind faith I think blind faith to be the more dangerous.
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Coded Logic
Jnat,
There's nothing "illogical" about hope. Hope is merely desiring a specific outcome. Faith however, is illogical.
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Deputy Dog
Faith is neither moral or immoral?
It's what/who it's placed in that determines "morality"
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jgnat
FHN, I do continue to hope to bridge the gap.
Polarization of opinion itself is dangerous, especially if our society faces a race to survival.
Dis-Member, then at least a part of me never grew up. My marriage is a November romance and I fell just as hard. Even as my logical side cried for caution, I fell in to the well of emotion. Illogical, foolish, but it worked out anyhow.
Dis-Member, I have an idea why faith might be more dangerous. Why do you think so?
My point is that we do many illogical things and those drivers, even if we are not using our reason, can work out for good. Even my granddaughter observed without emotion we would not breed.
Coded Logic, doesn't a failed gambler "desire a certain outcome"? The logical way to gamble if there is such a thing, is to play the odds. Count cards. Beat the house. That takes cold calculation and self control that few people can achieve. Those that do are banned from the casinos.
Now, I live in hope, but I don't fool myself that it is logical.
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MadGiant
Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told to do. Faith (religion ) is doing what you are told to do no matter what is right.
So, in short yes faith is immoral.
Ismael