Evolution and spirits (page 11)

truthseeker

see, this is why I can't have an intelligent conversation with redvip

truthseeker

It's true for me.

It's not my job to convince you or anyone else. I don't expect anybody to take my word for it. I don't have evidence except what I saw and heard.

But I'm OK with that.

I would gladly prove it to you if I could.

The problem with doubters in anything supernatural, is that they refuse to consider the possibility that something bigger than themselves might actually exist and they would rather say everyone else is wrong than consider the possibility that there are things that can't be explained away by sleepwalking and meds.

What? Why would you even come to that conclusion? You're making a ridiculously huge jump, and putting motives in people's heads for no apparent reason.

"Doubters" just use the same standards of evidence with the supernatural as they would with UFOs or new animals or new scientific breakthroughs or anything else. You SHOULD doubt by default. Default belief in things just because you want to believe in them are a problem area for humanity as a whole, and cause huge problems throughout human history.

Not even just that, but many "doubters" have experienced the same EXACT "supernatural experiences" as those who believe, believed at one time, and in retrospect or in comparison with other experiences, combined with reading up on how the mind works, etc. have come to the conclusion that it was more than likely -not- a supernatural experience. On the flip side, those that have supposedly experienced these things attribute anything questionable to the supernatural and don't have the same realization about ANY of their experiences, which points to the latter as having more ego-based beliefs (making themselves greater by having experienced something unique as opposed to mundane). It really goes the opposite of what you're saying.

truthseeker

here's where it gets complicated.

If someone, or more than one person, actually saw something supernatural, and they weren't doing drugs, didn't have mental or emotional problems, weren't sleepwalking then who am I to say they were making it up?

I don't have that right. Just because someone does not personally believe in anything does not mean that they should bully others who have seen things into believing that they didn't.

this kind of thread could go on forever and there may be an equal number of people who saw things and those who don't believe in them.

all it does is breed intolerance.

Billyblobber

Multiple eyewitnesses are not enough info to take something as fact as a default, when what is in question is entirely based on perception. At best, they're supportive evidence. Those people are normally not privy to the possible related cause, so they are only seeing one part of the equation.

cofty

The problem with doubters in anything supernatural, is that they refuse to consider the possibility

Nonsense. It would be the most exciting thing in my lifetime if it could be shown that such beings exist. I would be ecstatic.

All I need is a single piece of objective evidence. The plural of anecdote is not evidence.

Billyblobber

To continue and expand, if multiple people say "I saw a ghost," then that warrants investigation to see if that ghost was a ghost or not, because it's a new unseen occurence with nothing to relate to based on someone else's perception. You would go there and study the "ghost" to see what it is, what it is made of, and if other things cause it. However, oddly enough, this second stage has never happened where it has turned out to be anything supernatural, so until it does, they could have seen -anything- and perceived it as a ghost.

truthseeker

Cofty,

Where would you go to find the evidence?

Instead of asking us to provide it, why not look for it yourself?

Evidence should be expected and demanded but the problem is we can't replicate on demand the things we have seen and heard. I'm not asking anyone to believe my accounts.

So we're left with people who have seen and heard and those who haven't.

Chris Tann

Thanks truthseeker. This 9yr. Old boy walked BACWARDS up a wall! Seen by professionals. When asked if he could do it again he denied ever doing it and could not perform it. Several medical staff saw child being picked up and thrown against a wall with no one touching him. Psychological test was done on mom,and she was found to be sound of mind.

Proof, proof, proof. If one says this doesnt prove anything then I can make the same assumption with the seemingly progressive evolving of a species, and say God created animals with similar bone structures and such.

truthseeker

Billyblobber,

"Doubters" just use the same standards of evidence with the supernatural as they would with UFOs or new animals or new scientific breakthroughs or anything else. You SHOULD doubt by default. Default belief in things just because you want to believe in them are a problem area for humanity as a whole, and cause huge problems throughout human history.

I agree, and I wish my experience was me just wanting to believe in them, but it wasn't and I can't deny it. So I'm stuck. I can't prove my event because it only happened once. And I can't deny it happened.

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