Mixed thoughts re: Silentlambs group

by Pathofthorns 40 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Almost There
    Almost There

    SL,

    You just proved Path's point by your post.

    I think your efforts are noble, but, Pathothorns makes valid points.

    I agree with alot of his post and I'm a survivor of molestion, plus have family members who were violated by a pedophile and the elders.

    I think you cause should be neutral. It should be comfortable for believing JW who are looking for help in the pedophile issue, but wish to remain JW. Because you are a JW supporter does not make you a child moleters, most do not even have a clue about this issue.

    My father who is an elder, agree that there are problems. But was turned off by the TOTAL anti WTBS of the Silent Lamb site.

    Bill, please do not take this comment as being critical of your work, but please see that their are other ways to see this issue.

  • ChiChiMama
    ChiChiMama

    Angry,

    Maybe this is the reason to your question on the lawsuit.
    silentlambs. This is found at * http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=28683&site=3

    Master Member

    Posts: 499
    Since: Feb 5, 2001 Re: RODRIGUEZ LAWSUIT AGAINST WTS DISMISSED LAS... May 28, 2002 10:53

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    The case continues, it has already been refiled. Mr. Anderson assured me there is no way the case will not go forward.
    silentlambs

    As for your one on the length of the show.He has never said anywhere that I am aware of that the show would definatly be one hr long.You assumed.

    ChiChi

  • drahcir yarrum
    drahcir yarrum

    Morrisamb:

    If I (personally) agreed with Jehovah's Witnesses I'd say so. If I did, I wouldn't be posting on this website. But whether one does or does not is up the each person. I don't think anyone here is hiding an agenda. And nobody here is trying to brainwash anyone into not becoming a Jehovah's Witness. I (personally) believe great harm is done to many people who become Jehovah's Witnesses, but this is still a free country (USA) and people can believe what they want.

    You appear to be of the opinion that expressing a viewpoint locks an agenda onto this site. You are mistaken. I'm fairly apathetic as to whether a person fucks up their life in a religious cult. ANY CULT. My experience was with Jehovah's Witnesses, hence I participate here. I don't know why it is that people like you make me think about shoving my fist through your teeth, but you do. Bye!

  • ChiChiMama
    ChiChiMama

    I was just thinking about how emotional we all are right now.
    Why don't we all just leave this thread to die and enjoy the day and look foward to Dateline.
    We accompolish nothing by hurling accusations and inuindo.
    Please.

    ChiChi

  • morrisamb
    morrisamb

    Holy misplaced anger. Yikes! Way too personal attack. Punch me? My father punched me because I wouldn't get on my knees for Jesus. A stranger punched me because I walked by a gay bar. I am truly sorry I upset you, but I'm not putting on a dimmer switch just yet.

    I am also sorry that I contributed to this thread and I agree with Chi Chi Mama. There are more positive things to think about today...
    ie. the Dateline episode.
    ie. It's a sunny day here in Ontario, Canada.
    ie. I live in a continent where we have freedom of speech.

  • sf
    sf

    "...I really urge Bill, Barb and the others that are going to prepare for more media contacts to leave this thread alone and focus on the real issue of getting there stories out to the public."

    Absolutely.

    hawkaw, can i reach you anytime at the number i have?

    sKally...DAMMIT, I DRANK MY SPUMONTI BECAUSE I LOST FAITH DAteline was going to air, klass


    Too many 'lambs'!

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    The intent of my post was to acknowledge the results of the Silentlambs group in the sense of exposing the corruption of the WT as being surprisingly good, while expressing my uneasiness over how those results have been achieved.

    I and many others realize that there is a certain amount of deception that is necessary in this "game" of trying to knock down the WT. It is not a deception in the sense of using misleading facts, but a deception of intent and motive.

    If we are honest with ourselves, our true intention is to get as many people out of the WT and make it a safer place for friends and families who will remain in this cult until they die. The ultimate goal is the WT's destruction. I believe this is the true and honest agenda of most who keep ties with the WT. Pretending to care about the WT and pretending that we are "loyal Witnesses in good standing who just have a few concerns" is all part of the "game".

    I posted what I did in the hopes that victims who have supported this cause can read between the lines and have a balanced expectation and view of the Silentlambs group. Victims associated with Silentlambs should understand that the agenda is not "all about the children". It is also about payback to the WT. I hope victims' primary focus is their own getting back on their feet and not primarily one of getting even with the WT.

    I am not saying that many of the suggestions the Silentlambs group has put out are not good or should not be followed. I do think the important wording of the 02-02 BOE letter is a direct result of their efforts and likely more attention will be given to this matter primarily due to their efforts.

    What I am saying is that because of their obvious position regarding the WT, they are limited to being effective with ex-JWs. If their true and honest concern is the welfare of Witness children who choose to remain Witnesses, they have to be more neutral. No active Witness who is a devout believer would be comfortable seeking help from the Silentlambs website.

    If the Silentlambs group were to portray themselves as a neutral group that offered assistance to victims in a confidential environment, I think that would be more in the interests of children. Since the Silentlambs group is particularly concerned over making changes that help active JWs get help and the focus is supposedly on active JWs, changes that would encourage active JWs to seek them out regarding these matters should be considered.

    If victims contact Silentlambs, they can be advised that they will not face sanctions if they go to the authorities or seek professional counselling. The Silentlambs group can then encourage these ones to go to the police first and that they are not obligated to go to the elders first. If difficulties arrise (ie. stubborn oldschool elders) qualified ones can write letters or make phone calls on their behalf.

    There is much that can be done within the framework of the 02-02 BOE letter that satisfies the demands of Silentlambs. Most of your demands to the WT can be met if an individual is informed of what they are and chooses to act on your recommendations. If the Silentlambs group does not have an "anti-WT" agenda they are more likely to reach people with their message.

    The resulting disfellowshippings, most likely due to the anti-WT agenda will further diminish the value of Silentlambs as a help to active Witnesses. Witnesses who are molested now face sanction if they have been known to contact Silentlambs because of enforced shunning policies in place. This is unfortunate but that is the way it goes when dealing with the WT.

    Anyway... my hats off to everyone involved and their courageous stand against the Tower. I don't think anyone in the WT saw this thing coming and it will be interesting to see where this ends up a year from now.

    Path

    (PS .. Dana... I've followed your posts more since meeting you. You're one of the nicer people here Hope you are doing well )

  • Pepper
    Pepper

    If it were not for the Internet and this web site and others like it Jehovahs Witness's as well as many other religious people and denominations would not have much information and feed back to create a system to promote checks and balances.
    The powerfull much like the Popes of the thirteenth centery heaped heavey greif on people cause information could not be dispenced we are lucky to have this ablity thank God for it. Pepper

  • ChiChiMama
    ChiChiMama

    I sometimes think others have a higher expectations of the Silentlambs org than the victims and survivors themselves.

    Obviously there is no way to please everyone but remember much has already been accompolished.
    People who were all alone and had been silenced for years found a place to finally tell their story and get the support they so much needed.That alone is extreemly therapudic.Much more has been accompolished that I don't need to list.
    Some have found new friends that understand first hand what they have been through.Finding out you are not alone is so important.

    Silentlambs is not the whole solution, but it is a new begaining for many.We should appreciate what it does and will do in the future for these people.Suggestions on how to improve are good but if you think you can do better then start your own organazation and see how hard it really is.

    ChiChi

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Path,

    First you started out with your opinion:

    : I think there is a broader agenda here, one that includes a measure of revenge against the WT and one that won't stop until they are out of business.

    Then (unfortunately this is a typical WTS ruse) you immediately treat your own personal opinion as FACT:

    : It is this obvious broader agenda the Silentlambs group has that invites criticism from active Witnesses.

    When I see logical fallacies like that, I read no further.

    Farkel

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