Does Bruce Jenner (Caitlyn) qualify for Baptism?

by John Aquila 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  John Aquila

  I’m not sure if Bruce had a sex operation but let’s say someone did have a sex operation and then studied with the Witnesses and wanted to get baptized, would he qualify in today’s JW World?

  Could he have privileges?

  The Bible says the past can’t be held against you, once you accept the “Truth”

  (1 Corinthians 6:11) . . .And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.
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  nicolaou

  Why put Caitlyn in brackets? That's her name now, she IS Caitlyn Jenner.
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  nicolaou

  As for the substance of your question, I'm so happy not to be giving a sh*t about that sort of nasty, judgemental nonsense anymore.
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  _Morpheus

  They commented on this quiet some time ago..... You cannot misrepresent what you were born as, it would be considered an ongoing lie
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  DJS

  Nicolau,

  "I'm so happy not to be giving a sh*t about that sort of nasty, judgemental nonsense anymore."

  The best statement today. Thank you. Exactly how I feel.
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  John Aquila

  _Morpheus

  They commented on this quiet some time ago..... You cannot misrepresent what you were born as, it would be considered an ongoing lie

  
  

  What exactly did they mean by that? Would a person need to get reversal surgery? That would be impossible.
  
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  Heaven

  Morpheus said: They commented on this quiet some time ago..... You cannot misrepresent what you were born as, it would be considered an ongoing lie

  It is interesting that Botchtower, who believe so much in the spirit world, decide that what is physically presented in the form of the human body is the actual truth.

  Transgender people are born in the wrong body. So really, the lie would be for Bruce to remain Bruce and NOT become Caitlyn.

  Botchtower is a$$-friggin' backwards.
  
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  John Aquila

  Transgender people are born in the wrong body.

  With that in mind, I don't see individual Jehovah Witnesses "Not" want to study with such a person. Neither do I see elders stop any "study" based on that itself. The problem would be-if and when that person decided they wanted to get baptized. Would they be prevented? If they did prevent them, it could backfire media wise. I don't think they are willing to get that type of publicity.
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  BluesBrother

  I can find nothing more recent than this quote from '74.. It would be interesting to see if they would still say the same . Would Legal Dept have an input?

  Wt 74 6/15 p360
  “Transsexualism” is a word appearing with growing frequency in the news. A transsexual is not merely a transvestite (one who dresses in clothes of the opposite sex), nor necessarily a homosexual (though that may be the case). A transsexual is a person who rejects the sex with which he or she was born and takes up the life of the other sex. Claiming they were, in effect, “born in the wrong body,” many have undergone radical surgery and hormone treatments to attain a sexual transformation. An estimated 1,500 persons in the United States and about 150 in Britain have done so. What really do they accomplish? Is it possible to change a normal person (not a hermaphrodite of ambiguous sex) from one gender to another?
  The answer is, No. As Dr. Georges Burou, a French surgeon prominent in the field, says: “I don’t change men into women. I transform male genitals into genitals that have a female aspect. All the rest is in the patient’s mind.” (“Time,” Jan. 21, 1974, p. 64) In reality, the ultimate result is either a severely (and irreversibly) mutilated man who resembles a woman, or a severely (and irreversibly) mutilated woman who resembles a man.
  The increase of transsexualism is but one more facet of the spread of practices “contrary to nature” characterizing much of this present period. (Compare Romans 1:26.) The remedy for those with such inclinations is not surgery but a change in outlook, ‘being made new in the force actuating their minds’ with the aid of God’s Word"
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  John Aquila

  Thanks BluesBrother for that 1974 WT article.

  An estimated 1,500 persons in the United States and about 150 in Britain have done so

  Well it’s a lot different now than in 1974. And now that it’s being accepted, I would say that it’s going to be a problem for the WTS.

  Quote:

  We discover to our amazement that at least one out of every 2500 persons born male in the United States has already undergone S.R.S. to become female! This 1:2,500 estimate is vastly higher than the 1:30,000 estimate so oft-quoted by the medical community. The D.S.M.-IV number is clearly way off, and by at least a factor of 12! However, on closer examination we will find the error is far worse than that!

  My estimates are quite consistent with the estimates of prevalence in other cultures where transsexuals have some means to gender transition. For example, estimates of the number of Hijra in India range between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 in a country of about one billion population. Given about 1.5 million post-op Hijra in a source population of about 375 million males over age 13, the prevalence of Hijra is on the order of is 1.5/375 = 1:250.

  http://www.gendercentre.org.au/resources/polare-archive/archived-articles/how-many-of-us-are-there.htm