Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon 551 Replies latest social current

  • Simon
    Simon

    Just last week I was talking to a girl who is a senior in high school and making plans for college. She wanted to talk because she was scared that maybe she wasn't cut out for college and that she wouldn't make it since she's 'not smart like the whites and asians.' (She is Pacific Islander. and she is plenty smart.) This broke my heart. We are surrounded with these messages...

    Can you point to those messages and tell us where they are coming from? Are they from outside the community or from inside it? It seems like an assumption that she has to have been given a message and couldn't reach a conclusion on her own. Other kids are scared that they may not be cut out for college and that they may not be as smart of theother kids but just don't frame things into racial groups - is it possible that there is no message other than she see's her world through skin color?

    Told that golf was a test of 'natural athletic ablity' white golfers golfed much worse than when they were told nothing, but this did not happen for African American golfers. Told that golf was a test of "sports strategic intellegence" the African American golfers golfed much worse than when told nothing at all, but this did not happen for the white students. When the stereotype was indirectly suggested, the golfers unconsciously confirmed the stereotype.

    That shows people perform worse when they think they are being evaluated on something they believe they are less well suited for. It's interesting but I'm not sure exactly what point is that you are trying to make from it. There are lots of studies of people that have shown people change behavior when being studied.

    All this discussion seems to focus on the belief that "no one has ever had it as bad as african americans". No wonder people have no belief.

    Wouldn't it be better to say "you know what? some other people had it bad too at different times and for different reasons - but they transformed their lives and we can too!".

    It seems almost a competition to have "suffered the most". Isn't that a psychological effect that can have an impact on people's lives or does that not count?

    Try and have a discussion about how to make a metter future for black kids and it always ends up with a debate about the past. Maybe that is part of the problem? You don't have to win the "worst past olympics". At some point it goes beyond having a sense of history and drawing a determination from the past and becomes almost reliving or wallowing in it which I'm sure studies will show is not good.

    The message from the civil rights era was being able to overcome adversity and move forward. That seems to have given way to a negative view that is always looking backwards.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Excellent post, Simon, in particular this: Try and have a discussion about how to make a metter future for black kids and it always ends up with a debate about the past. Maybe that is part of the problem?

    I've gone way off topic trying (unsuccessfully) to show that there's no help like self-help. Disadvantaged black people, like anyone else can surely benefit from this.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Pacopoolio: If I could summarize your argument it's that children are affected by influences as they grow up and it's these influences that affect their beliefs and through those beliefs their behaviors and outcomes in life.

    That seems reasonable.

    Now you also seem to believe that positive or negative portrayals of black people on TV is one of the most significant factors in this development. I would suggest that has not been an issue since the late 70s and certainly is far from true now. Black kinds are not brought up in a modern-day Trueman Show where they don't know the world around them.

    Do you really believe that things kids see on TV has a bigger effect on their development than parenting does? I personally find that hard to believe.

    If you are including "rioting and looting" in the TV portrayals do you believe those happen with such frequency that is is really relevant and can't be countered by a parent telling them what good and bad behavior is? And can those images be blamed on other groups than the ones committing the crimes?

    It seems like there is a parenting problem within the community with many kids being brought up in fairly mixed up circumstances, possibly by their grandparents or without a father and if they have a father a higher chance than many other cultures that they will use physically violence as punishment - something shown to cause violent and anti-social behavior later in life.

    Isn't it just possible that these things could have a much greater influence on their development and future than whether the cosby show is on TV or not?

    Why is looking inward considered such an awful thing to suggest?

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    How could this be? It BE alright and the poor knew it all along . The Poor included white, blacks mexicans & everyone else. Everyone else ( not poor ) was shocked but not the poor. It only subsided briefly, it still goes on.

    Being Poor trumps being black or any other minority.

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  • designs
    designs

    Officer Wilson has reportedly resigned from the Ferguson Police Department effective immediately.

    It is reported Wilson received a six figure amount for his TV interview and another half million in private donations.

    Will he leave the public eye, write a book, be a spokesperson at gun shows.

    The NAACP is organizing a 7 Day 120 mile march from Ferguson to the capital of Missiouri.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Good luck to him - he didn't ask for this or deserve it.

    I wonder how many will complete the march, if the media will still be interested if / when they do and what is going to change.

    Rhetoric and chants are great in a crowd but there needs to be concrete demands or proposals if anything is really going to change.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Maybe he will also sue the media that disclosed all his personal information as well. Mind you - whoever turned the tables on the reporter was certainly showing the double standards the media operate on. ....

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    BREAKING: COPS: NYT Reporter Who Published #DarrenWilson Address Calling Cops Nonstop

    NOVEMBER 29, 2014 BY CHARLES C. JOHNSON

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    The New York Times journalist who published Darren Wilson’s home address wants police protection and has been calling the police nonstop, Gotnews.com has learned.

    Julie Bosman “keeps calling the 020th District station complaining about people harassing and threatening her,” our source told us. She’s also “complaining about numerous food deliveries being sent to her residence.”

    Chicago police department sources alerted Gotnews.com about the glaring double standardon Friday.

    Gotnews.com published Julie Bosman’s address in Chicago after she published the address of Officer Darren Wilson and his new wife in a widely criticized move.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Remember when Browns parents were flown over to Geneva by a number of groups in the USA to present a case for intervention by the UN in the death of their son? They went before the committee demanding that the UN do something - but like many other things, the media goes silent when they decide not to report on follow up. This is the only article I found on the outcome or the decision by the UN - the rest of the article is the writers thoughts.

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    MICHAEL BROWN’S CASE NOT VINDICATED BY UN…HE’S AN ENTITLED THUG!

    Written on Sunday, November 16, 2014 by Susan Horton

    A UN official lambasted the “entitlement” of the parents of slain Ferguson, Mo. teen Mike Brown after they addressed the United Nations Committee Against Torture. On November 12, 2014, the National Report published an article titled “UN Dismisses Michael Brown case.”

    Parents Lesley McSpadden and Michael Brown Sr. of the late Michael Brown have taken their plight with the Ferguson PD all the way to the UN: a gesture which appears to have been in vain. Brown was killed after allegedly reaching for Officer Darren Wilson’s pistol during a suspected strong-armed robbery arrest in Ferguson, Missouri. On Tuesday, the couple met with the United Nations Committee Against Torture and asked that they look into what they considered to be a grievous cause of police brutality.

    The Browns are requesting Officer Wilson’s immediate arrest and calling for an end to the perceived racial profiling in America. The Brown’s said in their document, “We need answers and we need action. We had to bring it to the UN so they can expose it to the rest of the world; what’s going on in small town Ferguson.”

    The UN however, blasted back at the couple after mere hours of deliberation. In a statement released by Senior Chairman of the UN’s Committee Against Torture, he dismissed the couple’s plea (entirely).

    “The sense of entitlement these people have displayed is reprehensible” said chair member, Dr. Amancio Dominguez in an interview with National Report. “We deal with legitimate and widespread instances of human rights violations, and frankly the issues presented to us here are not even a blip on our radar. It is in our opinion after reviewing all the evidence that the officer in question committed absolutely (No Wrong Doing).”

    He continued, “While I feel for loss endured by these two individuals, I believe they are blinded by grief and this is simply not the forum which to project those feeling. My colleagues and I went over the surveillance footage, as well as other evidence documented in the case, and we believe that Michael Brown is indeed guilty of the acts of which he is being charged.”

    Another member of the UN committee told CNN, “We have much more important things to do than involve ourselves in county level legal proceedings. This was an absolute waste of our time. Compared to human rights violations that are prevalent in such 3 rd world countries as North Korea and Brazil, America’s plight simply does not compare. While instances of police brutality certainly do exist, we have found that this was no such case and we will not be intervening in the matter.”

    I also feel badly that these parents lost a child but they are extremely misguided in their indoctrination of victim thinking. So profusely wrong yet determined for their version of Black Victim Justice they went around our Court system to the United Nations to achieve some kind of vindication in their mind.

    What they seem to forget is that their child committed a robbery while high on Pot (not legal in Missouri) and then attacked a Police Officer. We have rules in America no matter what your skin color. He disobeyed the law and he of course didn’t want to pay for the consequences of his poor choices. I can only surmise what he would be on trial for today if he had gotten Officer Wilson’s gun away from him in the struggle inside the police car and shot Officer Wilson with it.

    How could his parents take the moral high ground fighting for justice for lawless acts of immoral abuse, assault and robbery not only to the police officer but the shop owner with impunity?

    They have taken this thinking to the streets chanting, “All black lives matter!” However, I see the total hypocrisy and insincerity in their silence over the Black on Black violence and murder nation-wide. If indeed ALL Black lives matter to you then this would be a good place to start to save Black lives. Recognize the prejudice in your own hearts that you so recklessly adamantly portray as White Bigotry trying to convince the world you really are the victim in your unbiased White on Black racist cause.

    The UN saw through the Brown’s masquerade fiasco of injustice from the PD of Ferguson. I just hope they’re prepared to pick up the exorbitant tab from the destruction they perpetrated for months on: the Police Dept., the innocent people’s lives and property of Ferguson and surrounding cities and the loss-of-income from shop owners trying to do business there.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Yeah, they deal with genuine abuses, not people who just imagine being caught makes someone a victim. Typical that the trip was widely reported but the outcome wasn't.

    That journalist should be prosecuted. Someone's home address is not 'news'. She was trying to make a story and now becomes the story so journalist fail. Stupid bitch.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Officer Wilson has reportedly resigned from the Ferguson Police Department effective immediately - of course he has. Had he continued, he probably would've been stabbed or shot by people 'protesting' against 'injustice'

    The NAACP is organizing a 7 Day 120 mile march from Ferguson to the capital of Missiouri - good. Should burn a few calories.

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