"Susan Horton" writes for the Patriot Update a group advancing the "Conservative Revolution".
"Stupid Bitch" really?
"burn a few calories" really?
Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown
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sammielee24
"Susan Horton" writes for the Patriot Update a group advancing the "Conservative Revolution".
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I don't know who she is - all I wanted was the outcome of the UN presentation and that's what I found. She wasn't advancing anything that I can see - at least anything different than the talking points on Mother Jones, Huffpo or any other news site.
As for the reporter - stupid? arrogant? reckless? She had no business publicizing the home address and other personal information about Wilson and his wife - those are not necessary when following a story with such violence and tension attached to it.
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Pacopoolio
Pacopoolio: If I could summarize your argument it's that children are affected by influences as they grow up and it's these influences that affect their beliefs and through those beliefs their behaviors and outcomes in life.
That seems reasonable.
Now you also seem to believe that positive or negative portrayals of black people on TV is one of the most significant factors in this development. I would suggest that has not been an issue since the late 70s and certainly is far from true now. Black kinds are not brought up in a modern-day Trueman Show where they don't know the world around them.
It seems like there is a parenting problem within the community with many kids being brought up in fairly mixed up circumstances, possibly by their grandparents or without a father and if they have a father a higher chance than many other cultures that they will use physically violence as punishment - something shown to cause violent and anti-social behavior later in life.
Isn't it just possible that these things could have a much greater influence on their development and future than whether the cosby show is on TV or not?
Why is looking inward considered such an awful thing to suggest?
In what era were the parents you speak of children? Why are you ignoring THEIR development?
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sammie- A3P leaning?
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moomanchu
That UN article hit the nail on the head.
"Entitled thug", two words which sum it all up.
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designs
'the Savages'....
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Simon
At some point, whatever the cause, you can't just keep blaming the previous generation and how THEY were brought up. It seems things are getting worse, not better, so I don't think it's a sound argument anyway.
Based on your reasoning pacopoolio then even if conditions were absolutely perfect it still wouldn't be 'enough'. That comes across as being a little unreasonable. It sounds like you recognise it is a problem though because you attempt to provide an excuse for it. Why not try to change it instead? If everything is excused then what will improve?
Lots of people had difficult childhoods and experienced poor parenting. It's not an excuse to perpetuate it unless people are determined to do so and refuse any help and advice to change.
What happens when there is any discussion about parenting and physical punishment? The light-cable wielding NFL player is a good example - there were people defending it and claiming it was at attack on their culture if it was criticised again, defending the indefensible because of skin color.
I don't think people have the right to abuse their kids or to screw up their future by filling their heads with nonsense, certainly not because of race. Who gets that message across? Does that message even have a voice or is it shouted down as racism?
It would be interesting to examine the parenting of kids who are trying hard at school, who get jobs, don't turn to crime etc...Or do they just watch different TV channels? They grow up in the same world at the same time so are TV portrayals really the issue? Did their parents or grandparents even have TVs to be negatively influenced when they were growing up?
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rebel8
I agree with Marvin Shilmer's post on Page 1 of this thread.
I would add: Volunteer for jury duty.
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lisaBObeesa
Can you point to those messages and tell us where they are coming from? Are they from outside the community or from inside it? It seems like an assumption that she has to have been given a message and couldn't reach a conclusion on her own. Other kids are scared that they may not be cut out for college and that they may not be as smart of theother kids but just don't frame things into racial groups - is it possible that there is no message other than she see's her world through skin color?
The message that ‘Asians are smart’ is a very common stereotype in our culture. She could not have reached 17 years of age without being exposed to it.
That shows people perform worse when they think they are being evaluated on something they believe they are less well suited for.
If it were only that a person felt they were not suited for golf, then a white person who thought they were not suited for golf would have performed equally poorly when they were told nothing and when they were told it was a ‘test of natural athletic ability’ and a African American golfer who thought he was not suited for golf would have performed equally poorly when told nothing and when they were told it was a test of ‘strategic sports intelligence.’ But that was not the case. The stereotype threat was the differnce between the golfing results. Both groups performed worse under stereotype threat ('confirming' the stereotype).
The book goes on to show the effect happens wheather people believe the stereotype or not. If the stereotype is not suggested, the effect does not happen. They authors show that the pressure of trying hard to NOT prove a stereotype results in proving the stereotype. It is a very strong effect.
Female subjects told a they were taking a ‘math test’ performed poorly. But when the female subjects were told the same test was a ‘test of creative problem solving’ they performed well on the test. This happened regardless of if the female subject thought there were good at math or not. The effects of stereotypes are very interesting and we are all subject to them in one way or another.
All this discussion seems to focus on the belief that "no one has ever had it as bad as african americans". No wonder people have no belief.
Wouldn't it be better to say "you know what? some other people had it bad too at different times and for different reasons - but they transformed their lives and we can too!".
It is not an either-or situation. It is not either the very recent past is having an impact on people’s lives today OR people should take personal responsibility. Both things are true.
Don’t you think African Americans as a group ARE changing their lives? What exactly do you expect? At what generation past slavery do you think African Americans as a group should have ‘transformed their lives’ to be equal to whites as a group in terms wealth, political representation, education, etc?
Try and have a discussion about how to make a metter future for black kids and it always ends up with a debate about the past. Maybe that is part of the problem? You don't have to win the "worst past olympics". At some point it goes beyond having a sense of history and drawing a determination from the past and becomes almost reliving or wallowing in it which I'm sure studies will show is not good.
The message from the civil rights era was being able to overcome adversity and move forward. That seems to have given way to a negative view that is always looking backwards.
Looking backward to see the causes of a situation is necessary in order to suggest effective remedies. For example, if you think the cause of a person’s situation is because they are lazy, you will suggest a different remedy than if you think the cause of a person’s situation is something else.
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Pacopoolio
It seems things are getting worse, not better, so I don't think it's a sound argument anyway.
Wait, what, exactly is getting worse?