Elders and priests what 's the difference?

by sparrowdown 26 Replies latest jw friends

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    This week, the issue surfaced again:

    Vow of celibacy may have contributed to child sex abuse says landmark report from Catholic Church in Australia

    DECEMBER 12, 2014 7:58AM

    THE vow of celibacy may have contributed to decades of child sex abuse committed by Catholic priests and clergy, according to a landmark report from the church’s leaders.

    According to The Australian, the church establishment within Australia has for the first time said that “obligatory celibacy” may have resulted in the abuse of thousands of children. The stunning admission in a report to be released today, sets an international precedent and is in stark contrast to a recent US study that said celibacy could not be blamed for the epidemic of abuse.

    “Obligatory celibacy may also have contributed to abuse in some circumstances,” the report says, and “ongoing training and development, including psychosexual development, is necessary for priests and religious (figures in the church)” as a result.

    The church’s Truth, Justice and Healing Council has issued the report and its chief executive Francis Sullivan told The Australian that the Catholic Church must now examine how individuals can remain healthy while being celibate, “and not begin acting out of a dysfunctional sense of self”.

    The council’s supervisory group includes the archbishops of Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Canberra and Adelaide.

    Its report also identifies a culture of “obedience and closed environments”, and the selection process for candidates for the clergy as playing a potential role “in the prevalence of abuse within some orders and dioceses”.

    Source: http://www.news.com.au/national/vow-of-celibacy-may-have-contributed-to-child-sex-abuse-says-landmark-report-from-catholic-church-in-australia/story-fncynjr2-1227153384244

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    FHN: The level of education and training is vastly different.

    Yes, priests have much, much more training and education.

    I am not endorsing the Catholic church, or any other religion for that matter. It's just that the level of training is much greater.

    For example, here are the educational requirements for candidate for the Catholic priesthood in the Albany, New York diocese:

    Educational Requirements

    The educational requirements for priesthood ordination are as follows:

    • Four-year undergraduate degree in any field of study.
    • Two-year Pre-Theology Program - Thirty (30) credit hours in selected areas of philosophy and twelve (12) credit hours in selected areas of theology.
    • Four-year Master of Divinity degree from a Catholic seminary.

    Compare this to the educational requirements for a JW elder:

    • Requirements:
      • Do you know God's name?
      • Can you be obedient to any and all directions from the "Faithful and Discreet Slave," even if they makes no sense?
      • Are you older than 23?
        • Have you successfully served as a Ministerial Servant for at least "a number of years," putting up with the BS from the local elders?
        • Note: BS in this context does NOT stand for Bachelor's of Science
      • Are you able to at least appear to go out in the Field Ministry 10 hours per month, on average?
      • Do you and every member of your family own an iPad or equivalent device?
    • Possible Disqualifications:
      • Do you have any education beyond secondary school? (This is actually a negative).
    • Definite Disqualifications:
      • Are you prone to "Independent Thinking" and/or research on your own?
      • Would you turn a pedophile over to the local police?

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  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus

    The little white collar

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Catholic Priests actually keep things confidential?? Is this a joke?

    DD

  • sparrowdown
    sparrowdown

    Oubliette - the list of educational requirements for priests -quite frankly I am amazed, I had no idea it is so extensive,

    the JW elder list of "qualifications" is embarrassing by comparison.

    Thanks oubliette and fulltime for that info.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    There's another question that is appropriate here. What were the educational qualifications for 'elders' in the first century?

    And, what educational qualifications did Jesus and his chosen 12 have?

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    sparrowdown - "Elders and priests what's the difference?"

    Wardrobe and education?

    "Obligatory celibacy may also have contributed to abuse in some circumstances..."

    All work and no play makes Jack a sexual deviant...

  • kaik
    kaik

    I agree with Oubliette that major difference is education. Catholic priests have at least four, but in general six years of university education. They have deep knowledge of history, sociology, literature, philosophy, and many of them studied social and natural science. Catholic universities are excellent and have good reputation. Some of the colleges have priests in their educational body. Can you imagine elders debating geology, advanced calculus, or roman history with Catholic priests?

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    kaik - "Can you imagine elders debating geology, advanced calculus, or roman history with Catholic priests?"

    They'd be eviscerated.

  • sparrowdown
    sparrowdown

    The only thing elders debate is "are those socks too bright and those pants too tight?

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