How do you overcome this JW excuse? (page 4)

TTATTelder

Witnesses love the mentally lazy position of putting complete trust in the magic show.

And they're good little boys and girls for trusting it too!

There are a lot of unexplained, missing pieces in the JW doctrine-creation process. The GB and Jehovah (so they say) and I guess Jesus (if they remember to invite him) slip behind a curtain together and "Presto!" come out with new doctrines out of thin air. It's a whole miraculous, hocus-pocus thing.

Everybody claps and says "Wow!" and never has to use their brain. If you question it (like interupting a magic show to point out slight-of-hand) you are just spoiling the party.

They will passionately defend it untill they are tired of you and kick you out of the show.

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What's sad is that the WT higher-ups take full advantage of this childish level of consciousness in the followers. Now using it to expand their real estate empire. Unforgivable.

Like I've said before - if there is a judgement day - I don't want to be standing next to the "Governing Body" or any of their cronies!

-TE

sparky1

EdenOne.................I would ask the Elder how the following information applies to his reasoning:

"Notice that worship in 'truth' is a must! It is therefore impossible to worship God acceptably without a deep love of the truth. The true Christian religion must be founded on the truth, not on traditions, creeds, dogmas and articles of faith that are often hard to understand because they defy all the faculties of reasoning with which God created us. - The Watchtower January 15, 1970 page 38 paragraph 2

Apognophos

Clearly I wasn't in a position to win that argument, so I didn't even reply to that. But it stayed in my memory as a monument to religious irrationality.

Granted, that was not the time for you to give him some clever comeback, but I still say it's not an irrational statement. The God which that brother worships is a god who is allowed to mislead and confuse his followers in the name of some bigger picture that we are not privy to. That's not the God that you believe in. So what we have here is a difference of theological opinion.

exwhyzee

Elder - " The truth never changes. It's our perspective on The truth that may change, but The truth has always been The same".

So the Societies "perspective" of Jehovah's commandments regarding abstaing from blood has changed enough so that blood fractons are now allowable. Do you think it was Jehovah's intention to allow certain JW's to die unnecessarily while waiting for that "perspective" to change? How would you answer this question if you had a child or loved one die 10 or 15 years ago before this new "perspective" came to pass?

Island Man

This is how you counter it. You simply reply:

"What Orwellian rubbish! I feel like I'm listening to an interrogator from the novel 1984! Are you listening to yourself? You are making a fool of yourself, not me. I don't have to sit here and listen to this stupid, deceitful, reasoning. Good bye!"

Then you get up from the meeting and take your leave. Don't dignify such stupid reasoning. Let them know in no uncertain terms that such reasoning is stupid and will not be tolerated in any way by you. You might even say something like:

"What! What did I just hear you say? Am I hearing right? Do you mind repeating that? . . . My God! you actually said that! Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined hearing such a foolishly disingenuous - one might even say facetious - argument coming from the mouth of an elder in Jehovah's organization! Are you joking or are you that desperate?"

looter

Gotta agree with a lot here. It is like what terri said from one post: jws believe they are automatically right and will Never consider the organization being wrong. Just unreasonable.

stuckinarut2

I agree with many of the comments above!

Old so-called medical techniques used throughout the ages are now known to be wrong and harmful.....So why pretend they were ever correct?

Own the fact that we "were wrong"... And we "now think we are correct"....

But what do we really expect from an org of drones? It's all about "listen obey and be blessed" . Don't think for yourself, don't allow facts to get in the way of beliefs etc!

AndDontCallMeShirley

Do you think it was Jehovah's intention to allow certain JW's to die unnecessarily while waiting for that "perspective" to change?

I often think of the poor JWs who had a parent/child/sibling/marriage partner die for refusing an organ transplant (pre-1967) or blood fractions, like Factor 8 for a hemophilia (post-1967), only to have the very next WT magazine come in the mail saying the GB just changed their mind on the matter and now it's acceptable.

Apparently the JW god enjoys seeing his worshippers die on Tuesday when he knows full well he always intended to change a WT policy on Wednesday anyway.

What a dick.

mrquik

That argument flies in the face of Jehovah's cardinal quality of love. Jah could in no way allow any variation that would result in harm or death to his sheep. So, as we know that neither Jah or Jesus (who stated love would be the identifying quality of the one true religion) could be responsible for these doctrinal disasters, the only conclusion is that the came from men not directed by them. As opinions & not principles, no one is obligated to obey or die for.

berrygerry

So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie

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