Current JW Urban Legend about Dateline (page 5)

TexSham

I think the standard dub attitude is that this is all just an attack by Satan. I find that worrying, because it's the cult attributes of that religion which leads the sheeple to have that emotional response, rather than a reasoned one.

mrs rocky2

plmkrzy - I wish you would READ my posts, not just scan. I did not say 'shame on Erica' but only commented on the how the Dubs want to 'shame Erica' for wearing a cross. The WT and it's loyal followers are shameful. Erica is a sweetie! and I respect her for keeping some resemblence of faith in God. If she wants to wear a cross that's her business and it doesn't bother me. - MRS Rocky

Berean

Erica: glad to see you posting here. My wife brought up the ponytail, "thank you God, thank you Lord", and the suit that you have against the congregation and the Society as evicence that you arent a loyal JW. I wanted to know what that had to do with anything, now she and others think I am "close to being apostate." I may be in reference to a man's organization, but not in reference to Jehovah.

Someone asked a question about Logical Fallacies, here are some:

MASTER LIST OF LOGICAL FALLACIES
The following is a list of all the fallacies that are discussed in this course. Some are covered in the textbook and others will be introduced by the faculty member. It will be helpful to keep this page handy. Space has been provided for you to take notes as each fallacy is discussed during the course.
1. Ad hominem or ATTACKING THE PERSON. Attacking the arguer rather than his/her argument. Saying something negative about someone is not automatically ad hominem. If a person (politician for example) is the issue, then it is not a fallacy. Example: John's objections to capital punishment carry no weight since he is a convicted felon.

2. Ad ignorantium or APPEAL TO IGNORANCE. Arguing on the basis of what is known and can be proven. If you can't prove that something is true then it must be false (and vice versa). Example: You can't prove there isn't a Loch Ness Monster, so there must be one.

3. Ad verecuniam or APPEAL TO AUTHORITY. This fallacy tries to convince the listener by appealing to an expert. Often times it is an authority in one field who is speaking out of his field. Example: Sports stars selling cars or hamburgers. Or, the actor on a TV commercial that says, "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV."

4. AFFIRMING THE CONSEQUENT. An invalid form of the conditional argument in which the second premise affirms the consequent of the first premise and the conclusion affirms the antecedent. Example: If he wants to keep the job, then he will work hard. He is working hard, therefore he wants to keep the job.

5. AMPHIBOLY. A fallacy of syntactical ambiguity deliberately misusing implications. Example: "Three out of four doctors recommend this type of pain relief!" The implied assertion here is that three out of four means seventy-five percent of all doctors and that this type of pain relief means this particular pain reliever.

6. APPEAL TO EMOTION. In this fallacy, the arguer uses emotional appeals rather than logical reasons to persuade the listener. The fallacy can appeal to various emotions including pride, pity, fear, hate, vanity, or sympathy. The appeal to sympathy is actually a formal fallacy labeled ad misericordiam. Generally, the issue is oversimplified to the advantage of the arguer. Example: In 1972, there was a widely-printed advertisement printed by the Foulke Fur Co., which was in reaction to the frequent protests against the killing of Alaskan seals for the making of fancy furs. According to the advertisement, clubbing the seals was one of the great conservation stories of our history, a mere exercise in wildlife management, because "biologists believe a healthier colony is a controlled colony."

7. ARGUMENT FROM ANALOGY or FALSE ANALOGY. An unsound form of inductive argument in which an argument is based completely or relies heavily on analogy to prove its point. Example: This must be a great car, for, like the finest watches in the world, it was made in Switzerland.

8. BEGGING THE QUESTION. An argument in which the conclusion is implied or already assumed in the premises. Also said to be a circular argument. Example: Of course the Bible is the word of God. Why? Because God says so in the Bible.

9. BLACK AND WHITE FALLACY or SLIPPERY SLOPE. A line of reasoning in which there is no gray area or middle ground. It states that x, y, z are implicit in step a. The primary characteristic is that it fails to distinguish between (or among) degrees of difference. It argues for (or against) the first step because if you take the first step, you will inevitably follow through to the last. Example: We can't allow students any voice in decision making on campus; if we do, it won't be long before they are in total control.

10. COMMON BELIEF. This fallacy is committed when we assert a statement to be true on the evidence that many other people allegedly believe it. Being widely believed is not proof or evidence of the truth. Example: Of course Nixon was guilty in Watergate. Everybody knows that.

11. PAST BELIEF. A form of the COMMON BELIEF fallacy. The same error in reasoning is committed except the claim is for belief or support in the past.

12. CONTRARY TO FACT HYPOTHESIS. This fallacy is committed when we state with an unreasonable degree of certainty the results of an event that might have occurred but did not. Example: If President Bush had not gone into the Persian Gulf with military force when he did, Saddam Hussein would control the world's oil from Saudi Arabia today.

13. DENYING THE ANTECEDENT. An invalid form of the conditional argument in which the second premise denies the antecedent of the first premise, and the conclusion denies the consequent. Example: If he wants to keep his job, he will work hard. He does not want that job, so he won't work hard.

14. DIVISION. This fallacy is committed when we conclude that any part of a particular whole must have a characteristic because the whole has that characteristic. Example: I am sure that Karen plays the piano well, since her family is so musical.

15. FALSE DILEMMA (often called the either/or fallacy because the argument nearly always includes the words "either... or..."). This fallacy assumes that we must choose between two opposite extremes instead of allowing for other possibilities, especially for the possibility of choosing an alternative between the extremes. Example: Women need to be either brilliant or beautiful to survive in this world.

16. EQUIVOCATION. This fallacy is a product of semantic ambiguity. The arguer uses the ambiguous nature of a word or phrase to shift the meaning in such a way as to make the reason offered appear more convincing. Example: An ad from a sugar company says "Sugar is an essential component of the body, a key material in all sorts of metabolic processes, so buy some P&R sugar today." The word "sugar" is being used with two definitions that the ad does not acknowledge.

17. FAR-FETCHED HYPOTHESIS. A fallacy of inductive reasoning that is committed when we accept a particular hypothesis when a more acceptable hypothesis, or one more strongly based in fact, is available. Example: The African-American church was set afire after the civil rights meeting last night; therefore, it must have been done by the leader and the minister to cast suspicion on the local segregationists.

18. HASTY GENERALIZATION. A generalization accepted on the support of a sample that is too small or biased to warrant it. Example: All men are rats! Just look at the louse that I married.

19. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. A form of a hasty generalization in which it is inferred that because one event followed another it is necessarily caused by that event. Example: Mary joined our class and the next week we all did poorly on the quiz. It must be her fault.

20. INCONSISTENCY. A discourse is inconsistent or self-contradicting if it contains, explicitly or implicitly, two assertions that are logically incompatible with each other. Inconsistency can also occur between words and actions. Example: A woman who demands equal rights and represents herself as a feminist, yet is upset when a date expects her to pay half.

21. Non sequitur. In this fallacy the premises have no direct relationship to the conclusion. This fallacy appears in political speeches and advertising with great frequency. Example: A waterfall in the background and a beautiful girl in the foreground have nothing to do with an automobile's performance.

22. QUESTIONABLE CAUSE. The fallacy of questionable cause is committed when, on insufficient evidence, we identify a cause for an occurrence that has taken place or a fact that is true. Example: I can't find the checkbook; I am sure that my husband hid it so I couldn't go shopping today.

23. RED HERRING. This fallacy introduces an irrelevant issue into a discussion as a diversionary tactic. It takes people off the issue at hand; it is beside the point. Example: Many people say that engineers need more practice in writing, but I would like to remind them how difficult it is to master all the math and drawing skills that an engineer requires.

24. SLANTING. A form of misrepresentation in which a true statement is made, but made in such a way as to suggest that something is not true or to give a false description through the manipulation of connotation. Example: I can't believe how much money is being poured into the space program (suggesting that 'poured' means heedless and unnecessary spending).

25. STRAW MAN. This fallacy occurs when we misrepresent an opponent's position to make it easier to attack, usually by distorting his or her views to ridiculous extremes. This can also take the form of attacking only the weak premises in an opposing argument while ignoring the strong ones. Example: Those who favor gun-control legislation just want to take all guns away from responsible citizens and put them into the hands of the criminals.

26. TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT. This fallacy is committed when we try to justify an apparently wrong action by charges of a similar wrong. The underlying assumption is that if they do it, then we can do it too and are somehow justified. Example: Supporters of apartheid are often guilty of this error in reasoning. They point to U.S. practices of slavery to justify their system.

Berean

silentlambs

OK here are a couple I have been emailed,

1. Erica had on a cross.

2. Ponytail on father.

3. Illegal recorded conversation. (not true, Legal records all conversations)

4. Anderson stole files from the Legal department. (never workd in legal)

5. Anderson and I both said the word church referring to the KH thus that makes us apostates. (JR Brown did the same, now you know)

6. Elders in Othello were the screwups. (not true, they acted directly at WT Legal directions)

7. Beliz was best friends with satanists. (unproven as of yet)

8. Convicted Pandelo only works with elders in field service.

9. I made up the phone call to wt Legal. (you will note the wt operator answering the phone, so she must have been in on it)

10. Erica's make up proved she was lying. (I do not get this one)

11. This was all and orchestrated plot to stop the preaching work by the quasi multi-billion dollar financed apostate movement.

12. I only did this for the money. (where is it?)

13. Dateline offered to pay a witness $17,000 dollars to come on the show but they were loyal to Jehovah and turned them down flat. (and to think I did it for free)

14. WT Pr is in high gear informing anyone who calls once they are assured they are not media, that the program was untruthful and should not be watched.(sadly this is not an urban legend)

15. No one is df according to WT PR.

16. Pandelo's are in the process of being df for sins unrelated to child abuse, but that is confidential, according to WT PR.

17. Erica has been df for adultry, (not true)

18. Her father df for apostasy. (not true)

19. Anderson went to Dateline over one year ago and they turned her down, then she jumped on the child abuse thing to just get on the show. (not true)

20. Bowen has always been a trouble maker. (ok you got me)

plmkrzy

Rocky! I wish you would read my posts and not just scan them!

LMAO and rolling up my sleeve's.

I didn't say you said shame on Erica!
It just sounded to me like you were telling me off for it.
Your post was right after mine and you did address it to me and ended it with
"Shame on them not Erica!"

Which left me to think you were maybe yelling at me.

SO THERE!

.........................It's the silence between the notes, that make the music.....................

http://my.cybersoup.com/plumcrazy

SEAKEN2001

Hey plmkrzy, put the bottle down and get some rest. You're reading things that aren't there.

Hey Bill, you trouble maker! [g] I WISH we had a multi-billion dollar bank roll! Then maybe we could get some justice in the legal system. Keep up the good work.

And Erica, you're right on. The situation speaks for itself. You did good. BTW, my dad grew a full beard after leaving the dubs and really looks good. I could never get my head around that rule of no beards. Just another control mechanism. Take care.

Sean

mrs rocky2

plmkrzy - I most humbly apologize. Did not mean to yell. I do get a bit hot under the collar when it comes to the silent lambs. I am sorry.

Bill - you are in welcome company for the trouble maker part. Rocky and I are still not DF'd or DA'd but have always been labeled trouble makers. Seems the congregation doesn't appreciate folks who speak out for justice and 'truth.'

Mrs R

Panda

Why weren't there any Smurfs waiting in the bushes outside the KH's? There should always be Smurfs to prove the Devil is in on this show.
Wait a minute... I think I did see Smurfs carrying ... yes, little girls into the "library". [8>]

bboyneko

Next one coming up: Bill uses illegal smurf labor to create his candles, which are made from a type of wax that uses blood and the wicks are made from ground up new world translation bibles.

NewLight2

TV production Facts:

RE: the make-up issue:

DateLine is a TV show - All people who appear on TV programs MUST wear make-up to be on TV. Even your daily Male newscast person wears make-up for the show. DateLine most likely was the one who put the makeup on Erica.

Current JW Urban Legend about Dateline

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