by Lee Elder 57 Replies latest jw friends
: I suspect that it is just a matter of time before the need arises to coin some phrase to describe disfellowshipped or disassociated Jehovah's Witnesses who bomb conventions, shoot up Kingdom Halls or even attack Bethel facilities.
"Oh my God, George. Look at Harry. He's gone "Watchtower" on us!"
Farkel
I think actually, that now there are more ways for exJWs to get together and get some support that it lessens the danger somewhat. The real danger is when someone feels so alone and isolated that there is nothing left for them.
There have been examples of people in this situation doing sad things such as committing suicide, killing their families or taking 'direct action'. However, the only case of someone doing something extreme against the WTS (as opposed to the persecution they intentionally bring on themselves) is the bomb in the Australian KH:
Lee Elder's call to action was for the 'responsible brothers' within the wts who can do something to stem the tide of victims. Is it realistic to think they CAN do something, do enough, are even willing to do enough??
Libby
I was reading in a news index that there was an instance in the 1970 or early 1980s in which a bomb went off at Brooklyn Bethel headquarters but no one was injured. On this very board probably 1-2 years ago someone once posted that a young girl drove past a local kingdom hall and threw a bomb that however did not hurt anyone, and she was arrested. Someone asked me how do you know they try to infiltrate other groups to the top with a couple moles, and I believe the answer to that is that I was told about it by an older JW brother who may have phrased it something like "the Yahwehists/Dawnists sometimes send a couple people in to spy on our congregations and get people out, but we have our own Joshua-Calebs too." This was from a man not given to kidding in the least, and what he told me of other things also was true. Since then I have read on a couple discussion boards that the WTS also uses teams of two to monitor websites. In both Old and New Testaments two's are also spoken of not just with Joshua and Caleb but as when Christ said 70 disciples out in pairs. Peace.
Edited by - nancee park on 9 June 2002 10:44:33
Edited by - nancee park on 9 June 2002 10:47:37
Lee:
It isn't fair to speculate on the antics of a person who goes on a rampage. You can't blame organizations for the behavior of a crazy person unless they advocate the kind of acting out you are suggesting. The Watchtower does not tell people to return evil for evil.
The Watchtower could change into the kind of "open" organization you desire and it still could be the victim of someone who goes crazy.
I don't see the Watchtower as behaving much differently from General Motors, The Red Cross, or any other human organization.
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Psychdigg said: : I don't see the Watchtower as behaving much differently from General Motors, The Red Cross, or any other human organization. That's because you're a JW defender and you have your hands over your eyes. General Motors, The Red Cross and most other human organizations do not deliberately set out to destroy families and individual lives via disfellowshipping and such. That is the biggest source of anger, and likely what will be behind any violence that may occur against the Watchtower or its agents. AlanF | |
Edited by - AlanF on 9 June 2002 12:11:44
Pyschdigg writes:
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It isn't fair to speculate on the antics of a person who goes on a rampage. You can't blame organizations for the behavior of a crazy person unless they advocate the kind of acting out you are suggesting. The Watchtower does not tell people to return evil for evil.
The Watchtower could change into the kind of "open" organization you desire and it still could be the victim of someone who goes crazy.
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The Watchtower does not, as you acknowledge, tell people to return evil for evil. However, there is an unspoken message that registers in the minds of JWs with their doctrine that makes death a desirable state of being for someone in so much turmoil and anguish.
I've had people tell me that my children "would be better off if they were taken out in the back yard and had their heads blown off with a gun" if I continued in being an 'inactive' JW - that way their resurrection in the Paradise would be guaranteed.
I've heard depressed people in anguish confide to me that they feel so bad that they think they would be better off walking in the path of a speeding locomotive/putting a gun to their head and pulling the trigger/finishing off a bottle of tricyclic antidepressants/etc so that they could just get it over with and "wake up in the New System".
There have been people - some of them here on this board - who have been unjustly DFd by corrupt bodies of elders on trumped up charges, who initially felt that suicide was the only way of circumventing having to be destroyed at Armageddon. Fortunately, they changed their minds.
There are countless others who are so overwhelmed by the burden of shame and guilt that they can never meet Jehovah's standards, no matter how hard they try, that they have taken their own life and, in some tragic cases, the lives of their spouse and children also.
This is the legacy of the "happiest people on earth".
Love, Scully
Psych: Last time I checked, GM and the Red Cross weren't in the killing business! HELLO!
It's a "Spiritual Paradise" with "the happiest people" on earth for Pedophiles who love to rape innocent children!
I'll say again that with time I believe some of the current Governing Body members will also have it to come to light that they practice homosexuality or pedophilia the same as it has for Leo Greenlees in or about 1984.
If anyone reading this for a first time hasn't seen the threads on this, go to the top of the screen, click Search, set the search box for "past 1 year," enter keyword "Greenlees" then click for it to find the two main threads.
Now it's the turn of the courts to remedy the interstate racketeering via RICO act since the Watchtower Society plies its policies interstate, even worldwide.
That and peaceful informational demonstrations, leaving papers saying "Watchtower Pedophile Coverup: www.silentlambs.org" at convention sites, in or near kingdom halls, Randy's bumperstickers for the same etc will do it.
Psychdigg wrote:
"Lee:It isn't fair to speculate on the antics of a person who goes on a rampage. You can't blame organizations for the behavior of a crazy person unless they advocate the kind of acting out you are suggesting. The Watchtower does not tell people to return evil for evil. The Watchtower could change into the kind of "open" organization you desire and it still could be the victim of someone who goes crazy. I don't see the Watchtower as behaving much differently from General Motors, The Red Cross, or any other human organization." ++++++++++++++++++++++++
Why is it not fair? It seems to me that it is not only fair but also pragmatic. A wise person, or organization, carefully considers how their actions are affecting others. Your analogy of the WTS to GM or the Red Cross is false. If these organizations
terminate a member or employee, they do not forbid other members (including family members) from speaking to them. They have not created the tense atmosphere that exists between current and former JWs. ++++++++++++++++++++++
A better analogy might for the WTS might be the Mafia. Once you join, you join for life. There is no honorable way out under any circumstance. You are either with us or you are dead to us. Furthermore, those who try their best to walk away peacefully are apparently now being tracked down and DA simply for refusing to meet with judicial committees. This is escalation and generates more hostility as the organization reaches out with its hooks trying to squelch all voices of dissent in a free society. It is simply ludicrous and highly problematic for everyone involved. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From my perspective, the development of the Watchtower organization is following a predictable courser closely resembling that of the Catholic church. If they continue to escalate and refuse to listen to the legitimate calls for reform, we will have modern day "Inquisitions" followed by a fracturing/splintering of the organization. They'll finally come around to making necessary changes but far too late to avert tragedy.
Edited by - Lee Elder on 9 June 2002 13:42:16
